Iran leader orders Muslims to defend Palestinians

Originally posted by jam321
I, sitting here in my cozy palace, order all Muslims to die for, I mean fight to defend the Palestinians while I sit here in my Palace smoking my cigar, reading my porn, and drinking my whiskey.

Signed

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

An absolute gem of a post. Starred. I noticed long ago that the (radical, not all) muslim leaders never seemed to strap on an explosives vest, or even do anything remotely dangerous to themselves. Instead, the cowards recruit poor, young and impressionable people to do their killing and dying for them.

Like I said, cowards.

An absolute gem of a post. Starred. I noticed long ago that the (radical, not all) muslim leaders never seemed to strap on an explosives vest, or even do anything remotely dangerous to themselves.
Like I said, cowards.

It seems you are describing president Bush and other leaders as well.
Give orders and then relax and see the show.Is that not the chain of command in the entire world? You would expect at least some of them like Cheiny and Bush to sent their sons and doughters in the line of fire?

Instead, the cowards recruit poor, young and impressionable people to do their killing and dying for them.

Same thing all over the world.So what is your point?

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I wondered if anyone would falsely try to make that comparison. On the surface, it might seem so, but if you look deeper, it is not. For one thing, many, many high-ranking U.S. citizens have sons or daughters that have served in our all volunteer armed forces - in iraq and many other places.

And my point was that it really takes a coward to recruit someone else to be a suicide bomber to kill civilians for their leader's cause. If the (radical, not all) muslim leaders truly believe theirs is a cause worth dying for, let them strap on the first vest instead of making up stories about 72 virgins, etc. The leaders know the stories are BS, or they'd be first in line to get first choice of the virgins. Speaking that, I always wondered what the female suicide bombers get - 72 virgin (inexperienced) men to spend eternity with? Sounds more like going to hell to me. Common sense proof that the story used to recruit these poor "martyrs" is bogus - and their leaders know it.

[edit on 12/28/2008 by centurion1211]

Jam, I agree with you we just have to extend the range to all the Americans, Isrealis and Brits in their respective Governments who do exactly the same.

People often complain that the Muslims don't help now they are being asked to people are complaining, well you cannot have it both ways. Do you want them to help or not?

reply to post by magicmushroom

Do you want them to help or not?

Yes, help them quit getting weapons and force them to quit using the weapons they have. If Israel was attacked, the US wouldn't call for all the world to help defend Israel while it sits back and does nothing. The US would get directly involved. Iran leader is asking others to go Martyr themselves while they sit on the sideline. If they feel such a need to defend the Palestinians, then they ought to step up to the plate and send their troops and planes. Not just send in weapons so that more innocent people from both sides can get killed. Once they start seeing their own citizens coming back in draped coffins, they may reconsider the whole thing and opt for peace in the region.

This is just what Hamas was hoping would happen when they started lobbing rockets into Israel!

Hamas KNOWS that in a fight with Israel, they wouldn't stand a chance!

So, why do they do it?

#1) Hamas knew that they were inflicting little or no damage in Israel with their rocket attacks.

So, why do it?

2) They KNEW Israel wouldn't put up with this and would cause far more damage and deaths in retaliation for the rocket attacks. Hamas knew innocent Palestinians would die, but this is Jihad and they believe they are dying for a good cause!

Hamas started lobbing rockets at Israel just to get them to retaliate!

3) Once Israel retaliated, they were hoping that other Muslims and Arab countries would come to their aide to help them put an end to Israel.

Why else would Hamas try to inflict such little damage to Israel KNOWING that the retaliation from Israel would come back on them tenfold?

I expected this to happen, and originally stated it HERE!

Look at things in the West Bank!

Without Hamas in the picture, things were getting a lot better for the Palestinians there!

Palestinians Work to Jolt West Bank Back to Life

Both Israeli and Palestinian officials report economic growth for the occupied areas of 4 to 5 percent and a drop in the unemployment rate of at least three percentage points. The Israelis report that in 2008, wages here are up more than 20 percent and trade by 35 percent.
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And all this in a year when the global economy has been sinking at an alarming rate.
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Even in Nablus, a volatile city of 200,000 that has been subject to a particularly suffocating Israeli security operation, the atmosphere is beginning to change. A gleaming mall owned by the municipality, under construction since 1999, finally opened earlier this year.

Ahmed Ayed, 22, manages a women’s clothing store there. Sporting long hair and a goatee, he said the outlet, the sixth in Nablus of a chain owned by his father, opened half a year ago; a seventh has since opened nearby.

Ziad Anabtawi, chairman of the Anabtawi Group, which includes import, distribution and investment companies, says the Palestinian economy is much healthier today than it was in the 1990s,
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For six years, Palestinians have not been able to drive private cars in or out of Nablus without special permission. The Israeli military says that is about to change. Within a few weeks the army is planning to allow Palestinians from the northern West Bank districts of Nablus and Jenin to drive to the south in their own cars, without special permits and with only random inspections.
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In the West Bank, Hamas is currently subdued, with its armed men deep underground,

Amazing what GOOD LEADERSHIP has done for the Palestinian people in the West Bank!

And we all know what Hamas has done for Gaza!

[edit on 12/28/2008 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by pepsi78

 

I wondered if anyone would falsely try to make that comparison. On the surface, it might seem so, but if you look deeper, it is not. For one thing, many, many high-ranking U.S. citizens have sons or daughters that have served in our all volunteer armed forces - in iraq and many other places.

I thought we are talking about leaders who give orders? not high rankig citizens.

And my point was that it really takes a coward to recruit someone else to be a suicide bomber to kill civilians for their leader's cause.

And it really takes a bunch of cowards to start a war on a false pretex iligaly, recruit soldiers and send them out to war to an outcome where inocent people die while they make profit from sales of arms because it's their cause.It's really the same thing.

If the (radical, not all) muslim leaders truly believe theirs is a cause worth dying for, let them strap on the first vest instead of making up stories about 72 virgins, etc. The leaders know the stories are BS, or they'd be first in line to get first choice of the virgins. Speaking that, I always wondered what the female suicide bombers get - 72 virgin (inexperienced) men to spend eternity with? Sounds more like going to hell to me. Common sense proof that the story used to recruit these poor "martyrs" is bogus - and their leaders know it.

Same thing the other way around. Die for democracy, sacrifice your selfs ,and god bess America while we make a pile of money from the war and get a chance to control everyone because we are control freaks.
Everyone knows it's bull crap.In the end you take a look and see who is more affected.

I don't think it's all about the virgins, it's about wanting freedom with out ocupation and fighting or dieing for it.They have been so affected by it, generation after generation that they have it in their vains and blood.
Die or live in freedom, the tv turns and twists things.They have nothing to lose.Anyone can get to that stage where you have nothing left but a cause, where everything was taken from youm and you hate the people that did it.

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the report is from 2007 , so i still rings true and i feel your `hunch` of big bad iran as the prime funding is wrong.

[edit on 28/12/08 by Harlequin]

Originally posted by Keyhole
This is just what Hamas was hoping would happen when they started lobbing rockets into Israel!

They started to fire rockets because of the blockade.I and others have explained this but you all seem to ignore this.Get your facts straight.
They starved the population blocking international aid while they made an agreement with the Palestinian side.They broke it by chosing to block needed aid to an area where people were already starving and needed medical atention.

Jam does that apply to all parties involved, it would be easy to say if Israel stopped attacking the Palestinians they would stop fighting. And the Aytolla did not say Muslims to martyr themselves he said if they go and they died they would become martyres which is a different thing.

Becuase the situation is not equal that is why others are involved if say Russia was directly backing the Palestinians as the US does with israel what do you think the outcome would be then. The UK/US/Israel have been itching for a reaon to attack Iran for a long time, this is their ideal oppertunity that they have been waiting for.

Would it not be better given the resources of the World for all to get involed and sort the problem out once and for all in a peaceful matter. No killing no murder no land grabbing etc. We are supposed to be highly inteligent lifeforms, why do we not exhibit that and sort this problem out instead of continuing to fight like savages.

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How much AIDE would YOU be willing to give to a group of people who are being controlled by an organization that refused to accept your countries existence and its charter calls for an end to your country.

If they get rid of Hamas, their problems would be over!

Just like in the West Bank!

[edit on 12/28/2008 by Keyhole]

How much AIDE would YOU be willing to give to a group of people who are being controlled by an organization that refused to accept your countries existence and its charter calls for an end to your country.

What do children have to do with it?Besides anything can change and time can solve anything as long as land is given back, people can change their mind, but they won't do it as long as you are pushing them by force.
You have to ask your self why is thing happening in the first place.What is the main reason for this?

If they get rid of Hamas, their problems would be over!

Hamas has won an election, it's a very popular group in Gaza.

Just like in the West Bank!

Just like in West Bank where Israely make the rules, the laws , where Israely setlers move in everyday grabing more land.This is the way it should be right? West Bank is ocupied teritory, looks like people there are doing things in favor of Israel out of fear, they do what they are told and guess what.Israel is still there grabing land and making rules.

Ive been away for a couple of hours. Has Iran started sending in the troops yet, or is Amhanutjob's diarrhea of the mouth still watering?

Prince, don't you agree that on many occasions we have called the Muslims for not getting involved and helping others so why do we call them now, I thought thats what we wanted, for them to take responsibility and not just sit back?

reply to post by magicmushroom


Peace is the best option for all parties. And yes all nations should get involved to find a reasonable solution. However, a nation can't advocate peace on one hand and continue to arm the Palestinians with the other. In addition, Hamas has to be dealt with. Either their willing to make peace or they relinquish their rights of government to a group that is. Innocent people are dying on both sides. They are trapped between a brick and a wall with no where to go. It is their leaders who are pushing each other to the brink of war. Sure the missiles they launch hardly kill anybody. But what about the psychological fear it instills. Of course. the same fear is pushed on Palestinians when Israel comes storming in to respond to attacks on them. It is a never ending story. If these two nations really want peace then their people need to elect people who want peace as well. Otherwise, all bets are off.

Jam, looking at the bigger picture, its not just about Isreal, Hamas or even Iran what about the big boys who want all this to happen. How do we get them to make peace and not war.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Has Iran started sending in the troops yet, or is Amhanutjob's diarrhea of the mouth still watering?

Well Ahmadinejad did his part of making israeli soldiers suffer from diarhea in 2006 Lebanon war.

I guess hes waiting for the IDF to take it's ground forces into gaza so that Ahmadinejad can tell israel what he's been feeding hamas lately.

[edit on 28-12-2008 by t0ken]

Ummm ground forces would not make that happen i dont believe. In fact if ground forces weres used is 2006, Ahmanutjob would be constipated.

Originally posted by t0ken

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Has Iran started sending in the troops yet, or is Amhanutjob's diarrhea of the mouth still watering?

Well Ahmadinejad did his part of making israeli soldiers suffer from diarhea in 2006 Lebanon war.

I guess hes waiting for the IDF to take it's ground forces into gaza so that Ahmadinejad can tell israel what he's been feeding hamas lately.

[edit on 28-12-2008 by t0ken]

Originally posted by magicmushroom

At last some one has finally got the spine to help the Palestinian people.

And how dose it take a spine to tell people to risk their lives in order to help people you have interest in? In my opinion it would have taken spine for him to advise the Palestinians not attack Israel the moment the cease fire was over. That's just me though... I'm sure his willingness and courage to speak up now is going to help resolve the situation...

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I would not be so sure about that, Iran is the most developed of the |Arab countries, they have allies as well. Cant uyou really blame someone for standing up an saying support the Palestinians ? These people do not even have a recgonized country in the west. American support is waining from Isral and poeple no that, they are nothing without the Americans. If prsent treads continue to escalate may be American will no, longer be able to afford to help the Isralies.

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