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When Did You Choose To Be Straight?
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reply to post by fleabit
You missed the point of the thread, mate. There are plenty on ATS whom believe that being gay is simply a choice. The OP turned the question and ask when people chose to be strait because the choice must work both ways.
Also why are we attracted to other people? Because our brains are wired to. Strait men are wired to get a kinda "go-go-go" buzz when they see an attractive woman, and gays - an attractive man. This 'wiring' is formed at a very early age, from birth many say, so it seems there is no opportunity to choose.
Also it is natural, as it produced in and by nature. Natural by definition.
[edit on 27/12/2008 by Good Wolf]
I could care less why you feel you are gay, and I'm baffled why you are curious why I am not gay. Why do you care?
You missed the point of the thread, mate. There are plenty on ATS whom believe that being gay is simply a choice. The OP turned the question and ask when people chose to be strait because the choice must work both ways.
Also why are we attracted to other people? Because our brains are wired to. Strait men are wired to get a kinda "go-go-go" buzz when they see an attractive woman, and gays - an attractive man. This 'wiring' is formed at a very early age, from birth many say, so it seems there is no opportunity to choose.
Also it is natural, as it produced in and by nature. Natural by definition.
[edit on 27/12/2008 by Good Wolf]
Good Wolf
I've always been attracted to the same sex.Simple answer.lol.
fleabit
Good Wolf answered the main point you missed,and the meaning of the word natural.
I'm aware that this is a long thread,so just for you,I'll say it once more.
AS LONG AS BOTH SEXES EXIST THERE WILL BE PROCREATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
This can either be done the natural way or the artificial way.
I've always been attracted to the same sex.Simple answer.lol.
fleabit
Good Wolf answered the main point you missed,and the meaning of the word natural.
I do not feel it is 'natural,' however, because if it were, it could lead to the loss of the human species. Natural is what causes a species to continue to survive. Since same-sex cannot naturally produce children, I'd have to say no... it's not natural. But each to their own.
I'm aware that this is a long thread,so just for you,I'll say it once more.
AS LONG AS BOTH SEXES EXIST THERE WILL BE PROCREATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
This can either be done the natural way or the artificial way.
I think the rising tides of homosexuals can be put down to two things...
The self destruction of the human race and the broadening of trends via the propoganda machine that is the media.
The self destruction of the human race and the broadening of trends via the propoganda machine that is the media.
reply to post by DantesLost
Very simple answer, though I'm not completely sure how that works. I always hung out with other boys and thought girls had cooties, but I'm not gay (well not for the most part anyhow).
For me, entering adolescence I had no reason to doubt that I was strait, but then a certain rather beautiful friend started to enter my mind more and more often. Almost as if I acquired a taste for boys over puberty despite my futile attempts to stone wall it.
I've always been attracted to the same sex.Simple answer.lol.
Very simple answer, though I'm not completely sure how that works. I always hung out with other boys and thought girls had cooties, but I'm not gay (well not for the most part anyhow).
For me, entering adolescence I had no reason to doubt that I was strait, but then a certain rather beautiful friend started to enter my mind more and more often. Almost as if I acquired a taste for boys over puberty despite my futile attempts to stone wall it.
reply to post by NightoftheComet
I dont know about that. It was probably the military training that took place from the age of 7.
oh really? where is your evidence of this? This is the type of thing that irks me about gays. all of a sudden THEY can determine anyone else's sexuality as well as their own whereas, in my opinion, they are the most confused of the lot.
In the above post you seem to indicate that 9/10 of homophobes are gay, but here your saying that you cant tell that?
Most people relate to each other by things they have in common. Since homosexuals are a minority they are typically the oddballs. This is what creates the awkward situation im talking about.
Actually it was all well and good in ancient Greece too. In fact in some places it was a large part of raising strong men from adolescent boys.
I dont know about that. It was probably the military training that took place from the age of 7.
Well the studies say otherwise. Statistically "strait" homophobic males will physiologically respond to gay porn whereas those who weren't homophobic simply didn't respond to the stimuli.
It's this way for like almost 9/10 of homophobes, studies suggest.
oh really? where is your evidence of this? This is the type of thing that irks me about gays. all of a sudden THEY can determine anyone else's sexuality as well as their own whereas, in my opinion, they are the most confused of the lot.
This one kind of annoys me. It's imaginary. If you're in a room of strangers and half of them happened to be gay (unless they are really camp and effeminate) you're not going to be able to tell who's what. Since coming out to ma friends about a month ago, nothing has changed, not a thing (in fact I'm the only one who has changed).
In the above post you seem to indicate that 9/10 of homophobes are gay, but here your saying that you cant tell that?
Most people relate to each other by things they have in common. Since homosexuals are a minority they are typically the oddballs. This is what creates the awkward situation im talking about.
reply to post by Good Wolf
Well,because i'm lazy,I'll just quote myself from another thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Well,because i'm lazy,I'll just quote myself from another thread.
I'd say from about the of 11,when I became sexually awakened,I've always been attracted to the same sex.
Curiosity,more than society,did make me experiment with boys.And I can honestly say I never ever enjoyed it.And believe me,I experimented a lot.lol.
I was 13 or 14 when I first kissed a girl properly and it felt so right.I kissed a cpl of boys after that,just to see,but the only thing i felt was an icky feeling in my stomach.
Of course,it wasn't just the physical aspect that attracted me to girls.I loved the whole idea of romance and relationships,and still do.I never fantasized about having that with a boy,it was always with a girl.In fact,i never fantasized about boys full stop.As i said,it was just curiosity.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Amazing how the word homosexuality can be quickly followed by bestiality and necrophilia.
Well please prove me wrong, if someone can already be born homosexual then they can also be born with bestiality and necrophilia preferences. How is homosexuality any different?
What you are failing to understand is that i did not choose,I do not have a preference for females
And what you are failing to understand is that just because you don’t have a preference for females doesn’t mean that preference you have for boys isn’t a choice – when we’re young we find girls to be disgusting, to be covered with cooties.
Maybe you never left that arena of thought and drifted to boys, who knows… If your first sexual awakening was to another boy that doesn’t mean just because a boy just happened to be your first sexual awakening that you must have been born gay – there is no gay gene. It Means your curiosity, your choice was first to someone of the same sex even though you were born heterosexual.
What if someone’s first sexual awakening was to their puppy dog, does that mean they were born with bestiality?
What you are failing to understand is that i did not choose,I do not have a preference for females
so you like boys
At the age of sexual awakening my first attraction was to girls
so a girl was your first sexual attraction
,and it always has been.
so you’ve always liked girls not guys – so you like girls????
How can i make a choice when I have never been attracted to the opposite sex?
So what gender are you? If you’re a boy then your first sexual experience was a girl so you do have a choice……you weren’t born gay. Your post contradicts itself. U do not have preference for girls but a girl was your first sexual awakening. So you like boys now but at first you liked girls…..
Does that seem obvious how your own post proves how even yourself chose to be gay. You chose to like boys after your first sexual awakening to a girl…..
reply to post by NightoftheComet
Right then. [pulls up wikipedia]
First, Greece. Considering the fairly smutty things they painted on their vases, homosexuality wasn't exactly tabboo.
Homophobia being caused by some internal homosexual repression was a concept first posed by good ol' Sigmund Fraud.
On a side not, I'm not gay, I'm bisexual.
Well first, I was way overstating the stat, but it is an indication of some internally repressed homosexual inclinations. I was like this once.
Yea but only when they are known to be homosexuals. My point was that if you didn't know, chances are it wouldn't be obvious at all.
[edit on 27/12/2008 by Good Wolf]
Right then. [pulls up wikipedia]
I dont know about that. It was probably the military training that took place from the age of 7.
First, Greece. Considering the fairly smutty things they painted on their vases, homosexuality wasn't exactly tabboo.
Wiki
In classical antiquity, writers such as Herodotus,[1] Plato,[2] Xenophon,[3] Athenaeus[4] and many others explored aspects of same-sex love in ancient Greece. The most widespread and socially significant form of close same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and adolescent boys, known as pederasty.
oh really? where is your evidence of this? This is the type of thing that irks me about gays. all of a sudden THEY can determine anyone else's sexuality as well as their own whereas, in my opinion, they are the most confused of the lot.
Homophobia being caused by some internal homosexual repression was a concept first posed by good ol' Sigmund Fraud.
religioustolerance.org
he two groups exhibited similar arousal when they viewed 4 minute samples taken from one heterosexual and one lesbian movie. But they responded differently to the male homosexual clip:
The researchers concluded that these data are consistent with the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. An alternative, but much less likely, explanation is that the homophobic men's erections were caused by anxiety during the experiment.
On a side not, I'm not gay, I'm bisexual.
In the above post you seem to indicate that 9/10 of homophobes are gay, but here your saying that you cant tell that?
Well first, I was way overstating the stat, but it is an indication of some internally repressed homosexual inclinations. I was like this once.
Most people relate to each other by things they have in common. Since homosexuals are a minority they are typically the oddballs. This is what creates the awkward situation im talking about.
Yea but only when they are known to be homosexuals. My point was that if you didn't know, chances are it wouldn't be obvious at all.
[edit on 27/12/2008 by Good Wolf]
reply to post by DantesLost
See now that is something I can relate to (with reversed genders anyhow). There was plenty of female tail that I chased at high school. There were a few girls whom being around was euphoric, but there was something in about the idea of being with another guy that always excited me, and my same-sex fantasies were always far more romantic and intimate. As much as I tried to repress it, that was something I couldn't deny in myself.
As I said, it first noticed when at school one of my friends caught my eye in the same way that the pretty girls often did. Didn't think too much of it at the time, figured it might just be a one-off, but of course it started happening more and more.
Of course being a guy I was rather cowardly about the idea of experimenting, I didn't want to be known as 'that guy who... with...'. You girls have it easier in this regard, I think; for the most part, you'd be encouraged to do something lesbian for the enjoyment of the boys- you would around here at least.
[edit on 27/12/2008 by Good Wolf]
Of course,it wasn't just the physical aspect that attracted me to girls.I loved the whole idea of romance and relationships,and still do.
See now that is something I can relate to (with reversed genders anyhow). There was plenty of female tail that I chased at high school. There were a few girls whom being around was euphoric, but there was something in about the idea of being with another guy that always excited me, and my same-sex fantasies were always far more romantic and intimate. As much as I tried to repress it, that was something I couldn't deny in myself.
As I said, it first noticed when at school one of my friends caught my eye in the same way that the pretty girls often did. Didn't think too much of it at the time, figured it might just be a one-off, but of course it started happening more and more.
Of course being a guy I was rather cowardly about the idea of experimenting, I didn't want to be known as 'that guy who... with...'. You girls have it easier in this regard, I think; for the most part, you'd be encouraged to do something lesbian for the enjoyment of the boys- you would around here at least.
[edit on 27/12/2008 by Good Wolf]
I have a question,If a male is gay could he fall for a gay woman and vice versa.I know a st8 male can find both gay and st8 women attractive.
This rubbish was given to school kids not long ago,the exact same manuscript your 'parading' around!Homosexuality happens when people are ashamed of
themselves and their parents!Grow up and stop flaunting your fear in peoples faces,people who are clearly tired of the homosexual communities
inability to 'just grow up'!Dont complain,and stop wailing!
Originally posted by spinkyboo
if i choose to grab my wallet on the table and then set it down again then i just made that choice consciously, it wasn't intrinsically printed on to my "soul" that on this day on this hour on this minute and on this second i have to pick up my wallet.
I would define this as an action born from need. Not a choice.
... that is the exact-same-thing, just said fancier... how do you not see this?
I am an artist. My mother wanted me to be a doctor. I even tried to be a doctor.
But I couldn't. Did I choose that? No. It was an intrinsic predisposed choice. It was my nature. I did not choose it.
You are very correct, you didnt choose to to fail at trying to be doctor, you were incabable. you are also correct that your nature didnt allow you to be a doctor. However it wasnt chosen for you that you werent going to be a doctor, you were born with a brain unable to grasp onto the properties to be a doctor, it has nothing to do with something choosing that for you. you are simply incapable.
If you are born with 6 toes there is no intrinsic choice being made there, it was a biological error.
How did you get 6 toes? Did you choose it?
The choice was made for you. It was your nature - to have 6 toes.
Choice by nature. Not by you.
Wrong again, nothing chose anything, that person was simply born with a difficiency. Everything can have an effect, but everything doesnt need a reason.
The thing you fail to do is give proof that anything that you are claiming as choice is actually choice, so please, humor us all by giving hard physical evidence that what your speculations are is truth.
reply to post by andre18
Necrophilia and bestiality are Paraphilias.
Paraphilia is a powerful and persistent sexual interest targeted away from phenotypically,consenting adult human partners.They are psychological disorders and doctors note a clear distinction between optional,preferred and exclusive paraphilias.Homosexuals are interested in consensual relationships and sex with alive adult human partners.
I'm a woman and I'm a lesbian.
My curiosity to boys was from the fact that many of my female friends were into boys,so I wanted to know what the fuss was about.I never enjoyed it,it never felt right and i was just going through the motions.Kissing a girl,the gender i had always been attracted to was not only enjoyable,it felt right and i didn't feel kinda ill after it.
Well please prove me wrong, if someone can already be born homosexual then they can also be born with bestiality and necrophilia preferences. How is homosexuality any different?
Necrophilia and bestiality are Paraphilias.
Paraphilia is a powerful and persistent sexual interest targeted away from phenotypically,consenting adult human partners.They are psychological disorders and doctors note a clear distinction between optional,preferred and exclusive paraphilias.Homosexuals are interested in consensual relationships and sex with alive adult human partners.
So what gender are you? If you’re a boy then your first sexual experience was a girl so you do have a choice……you weren’t born gay. Your post contradicts itself. U do not have preference for girls but a girl was your first sexual awakening. So you like boys now but at first you liked girls…..
I'm a woman and I'm a lesbian.
My curiosity to boys was from the fact that many of my female friends were into boys,so I wanted to know what the fuss was about.I never enjoyed it,it never felt right and i was just going through the motions.Kissing a girl,the gender i had always been attracted to was not only enjoyable,it felt right and i didn't feel kinda ill after it.
I "chose" sometime after my fetus developed from female to male, (That's why I have non functioning breasts). My transformation into a man was
complete thanks to my mother's chromisones. If my fetus remained female, I would have relied on my fathers chromisones to make me heteralsexual.
Of course I don't remember this, (my counscious memory only goes back as to four maybe three), but I did read this much.
I do not pity you for being gay, because it is you and who am I to judge?
I do pity those who cannot understand.
Of course I don't remember this, (my counscious memory only goes back as to four maybe three), but I did read this much.
I do not pity you for being gay, because it is you and who am I to judge?
I do pity those who cannot understand.
I want to ask the bisexuals a question - I am a gay identified man, however, I know I am capable of being with a woman because I was married to one
for a long time and actually had a child with her.
My question is this: If you are bi identified and able to be satisfied by both/either gender do you still hold a preference for one over the other, or is your attraction indeed equal?
Perhaps this is a topic for a new thread...
[edit on 27-12-2008 by archetype_one]
My question is this: If you are bi identified and able to be satisfied by both/either gender do you still hold a preference for one over the other, or is your attraction indeed equal?
Perhaps this is a topic for a new thread...
[edit on 27-12-2008 by archetype_one]
Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo
Ok... nice stories and all but... can you people now stop trying to convert others to your side or acting like that gay-thing is something natural please? Because its NOT. It will NEVER BE. Its not normal. Deal with it.
Do you really believe you KNOW what is "natural" for others. Do you really think the species would be leaning to such a large degree toward homosexuality if indeed it wasn't nature dictating it? Really!? Do you really believe we KNOW what nature is doing?
This is not to say that there could not be man-made factors that have changed the very nature/DNA of the species. But - please try to remember that this is not new behavior for the species. It was just hidden behavior born from religiosity meant to control the masses through fear and guilt. What do you make of all of the priests who had homosexual relationships with their Altar Boys? Let's look at what is true and go from there instead of hiding who we are. What a concept.
,
I'm not saying I hate gays and they should be all shot or anything
Thank you.
I'm just saying its not something "natural" like you all want the world to face it. Stop trying to impose gayness to normal ppl (not even counting the 90% of you that actually enjoy being a ON-YOUR-FACE gay with all that gay pride crap and kissing and smootching and provoking normal ppl just because you like to shock others).
It is not natural for YOU. No one is imposing this onto you. You feel uncomfortable. And that is ok - because it is honest. I feel uncomfortable when I watch this happening with heteros sometimes - and I am hetero.
Again it is in your face now -
because it has been hidden for so long.
No I dont hate gays. (like I dont hate ppl who eat french fries with ice cream) - Yes I do think its unnatural (like eating french fries with ice cream)
French Fries with Ice Cream sounds good to me.
I also like popcorn with mustard and ketchup.
Heteros are not as IN-YOUR-FACE as you gay people.
Of course we are! We "normal hetero humans" are the worst about displaying our sexual fun-a-ties.
You just don't notice it - because it is "natural" to you.
Take a breath. Think about the ways in which you are different from others. Think about all of the times in your life when you were not accepted for the person you truly are - Then think about how you can aid others to be comfortable and rejoice in who they are.
This can be a real evolutionary jump for you if you are willing to take a look at what you are really afraid of.
I suspect it is not homosexuality -
people who are gay are born that way. God makes us all. just like the straight guy has a natural attraction to women, gay men have an attraction to
other men. this may be a poor ilistration. but here goes.
Romans 9:20-21 who are you to reply against God. does the thing formed say to him who formed it "why have you made me like this. 21 does not the potter have power over the clay to make one vessel unto honor and one unto dishonor?. Also of you look at the story of moses. it says God made the pharoh with a hardend heart.
my point is God makes us the way we are and who are we to judge and ask why we are made that way. im not saying homosexuality is wrong or right. but that god made us what we are. whether we are sinners or saints who are we to judge. the bible does say though that he destroyed sodom and gomorah because of the sin of homosexuality . BUT he also gave them the chance to repent and change. like an alcoholic who craves the next drink. you can resist if you feel you are wrong. it is not up to us to judge the gay community. its up to God to convict the person to feel its wrong. if they dont feel its wrong. then you dont have to change. the bible says if you commit one sin you have committed them all. so i guess in a sense. im a homosexual ,a murderer, a thief , an adulterer,ect. but God convited me and i dont want to do those things anymore.not because some person judged me,but because God convicted me and made me realize i needed to change. so people stop hating the gay community for being gay they are born that way. i dont see any body hating on fat people. they are born that way and no one carries a banner and says stop eating you fat slob. no they finaly get to the point that they want to live healthier. or they live happy lives because they realize god made them that way.
Romans 9:20-21 who are you to reply against God. does the thing formed say to him who formed it "why have you made me like this. 21 does not the potter have power over the clay to make one vessel unto honor and one unto dishonor?. Also of you look at the story of moses. it says God made the pharoh with a hardend heart.
my point is God makes us the way we are and who are we to judge and ask why we are made that way. im not saying homosexuality is wrong or right. but that god made us what we are. whether we are sinners or saints who are we to judge. the bible does say though that he destroyed sodom and gomorah because of the sin of homosexuality . BUT he also gave them the chance to repent and change. like an alcoholic who craves the next drink. you can resist if you feel you are wrong. it is not up to us to judge the gay community. its up to God to convict the person to feel its wrong. if they dont feel its wrong. then you dont have to change. the bible says if you commit one sin you have committed them all. so i guess in a sense. im a homosexual ,a murderer, a thief , an adulterer,ect. but God convited me and i dont want to do those things anymore.not because some person judged me,but because God convicted me and made me realize i needed to change. so people stop hating the gay community for being gay they are born that way. i dont see any body hating on fat people. they are born that way and no one carries a banner and says stop eating you fat slob. no they finaly get to the point that they want to live healthier. or they live happy lives because they realize god made them that way.
I didn't "choose" to be straight. I am straight. There was no choice I needed to make. The thought of a naked man disgusts me. People are born
homosexual as well (though it definitely could be possible to brainwash someone into becoming homosexual due to overexposure just like society can
force homosexuals into heterosexual relationships). It's a mental defect, if you will. Oh, I know it's so un-PC to regard homosexuality as a
disorder, but alas, it is.
Homosexuality is not a choice. Homosexual ACTS are a choice. People like to bring up the Bible for this kind of stuff, but the fact of the matter is homosexuality is NOT regarded as a sin in the Bible. Homosexual ACTS are. Big difference.
Homosexuality is not a choice. Homosexual ACTS are a choice. People like to bring up the Bible for this kind of stuff, but the fact of the matter is homosexuality is NOT regarded as a sin in the Bible. Homosexual ACTS are. Big difference.
reply to post by ChocoTaco369
People bandy about terms and words without even knowing what they mean.andre18 mentioned 2 of these,you have mentioned a third;mental disorder.
A mental disorder may be defined as a significant impairment of an individual's cognitive,affective and/or relational abilities which may require intervention and may be a recognised,medically diagnosable illness or disorder.
So,what mental disorder classification would you put homosexuality under,and what would you do to treat it.And bear in mind that it was 'treated' for decades with little success,plus by further in depth research experts found that homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental illness.
Out of interest you might want to look up Evelyn Hooker,an American psychologist.
People bandy about terms and words without even knowing what they mean.andre18 mentioned 2 of these,you have mentioned a third;mental disorder.
A mental disorder may be defined as a significant impairment of an individual's cognitive,affective and/or relational abilities which may require intervention and may be a recognised,medically diagnosable illness or disorder.
So,what mental disorder classification would you put homosexuality under,and what would you do to treat it.And bear in mind that it was 'treated' for decades with little success,plus by further in depth research experts found that homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental illness.
Out of interest you might want to look up Evelyn Hooker,an American psychologist.
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