reply to post by hawkwind
Hi Hawkwind... nice to be back... and how pertinent that we speak about these things on THIS thread...
I mention it because this morning I came and saw your very fine response (in which I also noticed to have you back more in your shape) and I sat down
and started writing...
At the end of a lengthy discourse, I was feeling a bit uneasy about something... suddenly, as HS I took over, went and deleted the whole thing with
one click... first time since ATS...
I was amazed and pleasantly surprised, and told that I needed to think about this for a bit longer.
And so I did.
I took a tour around the ATS forums and other places, and went about my rainy day, and finally came to was has been irking me for a while now, a
splinter of the mind.
In "here", I saw the usual discussions of lower astrals, of revelations, of disasters to come.. the usual. And then it hit me... Some COULD be
"right", but just from a VERY limited point of view...
And thus, that I was following a usual tendency of mine, which is to look TOO FAR AHEAD sometimes.
I agreed with almost all you wrote and enjoyed very much your post. If I may, I will use one of your thoughts to explain my point:
From purely my own experience of these realms of experience I have concluded that even the ones that feel really "loving" supportive and
free of negative influence such as the Angelic realm are constructs that we collectively created over time and will dissolve when we are all done with
them. They, in my expression of myself, might, while residing there, feel and be quite real.
This, as much of what you said, and much of what is going on, is right, but under OUR point of view ONLY.
While it is true, for example, that some PLACES as "Angelic" realms are created BY AND FOR ourselves for different purposes, THEY STILL REFLECT much
deeper realities in turn, and it is THOSE that I refer to.
(This without talking about thought-forms, such as "demons" and the kind, that are TRULY just made up of OUR thin exhausts...)
For example, the analysis that you made of the Christ's Round Table, and any other for that matter, applies, but only as seen from our perspective
My point is that when speaking about the Christ, about the DEEP levels of reality, about our Teachers and guides, and other Inner realms, they all
reflect a reality that is being brought "DOWN" to us, from the OUTSIDE of our constructed Universes INTO our SOUL experience.
What we see from here is just "the bottom end", but it should not deter us from realizing that there is WAY more than meets our "mind" eye.
The Christ, is not an being who evolved FROM our Soul level and rose to show us a way. He "comes" from FAR BEYOND any level even within our sight
at the moment, and this is speaking even as a complete HS, or as a Soul.
He comes from the "Out" INTO our realm, transversely into ALL ITS LEVELS, FOR our benefit, so that we can begin to comprehend the immense, vast and
infinite Being we ARE, from which we come from and an experience to which we WILL return, eventually (a very long eventually, again, from our
standpoint and time-warped conceptions).
The "Soul" of my Teacher, the Inner Being with whom HE shares experience, is a SOUL that begins to disappear from our conceptional abilities, to
dwell into the Divine, which is our euphemism for " I can feel it but cannot comprehend it".
At THAT level, the "rules", the environment, the landscape, EVERYTHING is "designed" to enhance HIS experience, just as ours is suited for our own
growth, and those realities respond and have a source from even DEEPER levels, as seen BY THEM. Imagine us...
The potentials for growth and development which are available to such advanced Beings, is far from our ability to comprehend, and there is even no
need for it. It's like a 5 year old taking a tour of Harvard. "Nice"... but where's the ice-cream shop?"
The realms in which the evolved Soul HAS its experience, as well, responds to its own DEEPER realities, and this "Reality" is one that will be
meaningful AT THAT LEVEL, and so forth...
And again, let us not forget, this is still all "conventions", because the separations are just CONCEPTUAL.
So, to bring this down to our discussion, we have lots of people applying characteristics, personality traits, geographic descriptions, and assigning
roles of different kinds to deeper realms in which they simply DO NOT APPLY.
It is just a more sophisticated levels of SOUL-ANTHROPOMORPHISM.
Most people are still looking at LIMITED aspects and versions of what is going on.
This is why I was invited to reflect...
As we are BEING SHOWN wider views of the picture, it is only natural that we still RESIST leaving most of the 3d "cloaking" behind, and all the
"rules of the game", and the IMAGES that we have in our minds as to how the "next" could be become clouded by our condition.
As we sit in the Round Table, there IS a way of FORESEEING what our more "grown-up" possibilities can be.
And I say it like this because, as humans we seem to be in pre-kindergarden. The Soul BEGINS to feel as an "adult" in some ways, though I'm not so
So I when I listen to all this astral rhetoric, and Annunaki conspiracies, demonic figures, and ALL that comic-book paraphernalia, while it CAN
respond to some characteristics and on-going dramas of SOME levels of our present Soul experience, when viewed from a slightly MORE COMPLETE
perspective, it all sounds as pre-teens extremely worried about their video-game storylines.
There is just more to it.
This is, as an explanation, where my sense of security and tranquility stems, for we have been shown the possibilities, yes, but also from where they
come from, and THIS IS THE CRUX OF ALL.
levels, the Inner levels, the Source of our and ALL reality, is SO BEYOND these TEMPORARY "conflicts" that, in and from its core, it
emanates ONLY Being, only confidence, and only hard-work-that-will-pay on the way.
This CAN and DOES reach us.
So this is where I would invite you and the two people who accompany us in this exchange to reflect, and to consider it possible to follow the trails,
and send your mind INTO the Divine, and don't stop until you cannot anymore...
The plays, the roles, and the dramas, are ALL temporary, no matter the level.
True Being is not.
THIS IS the next level for us.