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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Im saying, we are human...what makes divinity divinity? Its a nature we cant imagine, a love that has no bounds. That to me is what makes God righteous above all...Love is the strongest power, there is no other that can conquered love.
We are responsible for the souls given to us is how I see it.
Originally posted by karl 12
Miriam -you have no idea about who or what god is -your opinions are just based on speculation,conjecture and guesswork... so for you to go postulating about god's divine murderous motivations 'in a factual context' seems to me to be a highly presumptuous (not to mention a little arrogant)
I ask you again-after purposefully murdering all these people and showing no remorse or regret-why do you think he came down and told Moses that killing other people was an bad thing to do?
Do you think God is the ultimate hypocrite or do you just think he got it wrong?
Originally posted by jakyll
Some very well thought out and presented posts there.
But,when it comes to military conquest,you forgot to mention this important fact;God hardened the hearts of Israels enemies,deliberately and on a regular basis.Does it sound like they had a choice in attacking Israel or not.
And lets not forget that many of the laws within the OT that require the death penalty are just insane,and obviously the workings of an irrational mind.(see link for details) www.religioustolerance.org...
Also,and this is important,a child under a certain age (who does not know right from wrong) cannot be guilty of committing a sin.
So,i'll ask again,what justification did God have for killing them,thousands of them? (lets not forget he himself intentionally killed all the first born sons in Egypt,many of them young children and babies)
I also agree with what Karl12,is the excuse 'they were warned' justifiable?
Can you be justified for disembowling someone when you can either kill them peacefully and painlessly or not at all?
Originally posted by Simplynoone
I think this thread is the most disturbing thread I have ever seen on ATS .
It is one thing to not believe in GOD ..it is yet another thing to call God a murderer ...
"When the churches literally ruled society, the human drama encompassed: (a) slavery;(b) the cruel subjection of women;(c)the most savage forms of legal punishment;(d)the absurd belief that kings ruled by divine right;(e)the daily imposition of physical abuse;(f) cold heartlessness for the sufferings of the poor; as well as (g) assorted pogroms ('ethnic cleansing' wars) between rival religions,capital punishment for literally hundreds of offenses,and countless other daily imposed moral outrages. . . . It was the free-thinking, challenging work by people of conscience, who almost invariably had to defy the religious and political status quo of their times, that brought us out of such darkness." Steve Allen
"You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world". -Bertrand Russell
"Religion is a disease. It is born of fear; it compensates through hate in the guise of authority, revelation. Religion, enthroned in a powerful social organization, can become incredibly sadistic. No religion has been more cruel than the Christian". -Dr. George A. Dorsey
"I assert most unhesitatingly, that the religion of the South is a mere covering for the most horrid crimes-- a justifier of the most appalling barbarity, a sanctifier of the most hateful frauds, and a dark shelter under which the darkest, foulest, grossest, and most infernal deeds of slaveholders find the strongest protection. Where I to be again reduced to the chains of slavery, next to that enslavement, I should regard being the slave of a religious master the greatest calamity that could befall me. . . I. . . hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land".
Originally posted by Simplynoone
If I ever had a doubt about satan existing or not ..I sure do not have any doubts now ....after watching so many threads like this get posted and seeing the many stars it gets from others who agree with them.
Originally posted by SS,Naga
I'm sorry, there are gods, and they are not just.
And have you ever seen a dog bite and refuse to let go, even when it hurts like hell? That's the religious creating excuses for continual murder...err, their brand of love and peace, that is.
This is a wondrous thread, but it achieves little. Evil is live, spelled backwards. Dog is god spelled backwards. Now, there's some truth to sink your teeth in.
Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
- Matthew 25