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Originally posted by miriam0566
wow karl, still have people who disagree with you, so you just keep repeating yourself over and over again.
i address all of those deaths here
but to me here is the ironic thing. the discussion is not whether or not god killed those people. he did. the bible says he did. simply as that.
the question is, are those deaths justified.
the irony i see is that you are willingly to address these deaths and flaunt them, but your not willingly to even investigate whether or not these deaths are the act of a just authority.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
And about the Bible...it is actually my fav. book.
I read many books...but the Bible is still my main study.
You cant find another material with the balance of both natures (dark and light, flesh and spirit) so prevalent and with much wisdom and knowledge. It can give the keys for the tasks...most defiantly.
But it can be a dangerous book as well.
IMPO of course, always, with respect
LV
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Originally posted by miriam0566
wow karl, still have people who disagree with you, so you just keep repeating yourself over and over again.
i address all of those deaths here
but to me here is the ironic thing. the discussion is not whether or not god killed those people. he did. the bible says he did. simply as that.
the question is, are those deaths justified.
the irony i see is that you are willingly to address these deaths and flaunt them, but your not willingly to even investigate whether or not these deaths are the act of a just authority.
Exactly. 30+ million deaths are attributed to God?
In the end it will be billions? Every one of them justified.
God Bless
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
And about the Bible...it is actually my fav. book.
I read many books...but the Bible is still my main study.
You cant find another material with the balance of both natures (dark and light, flesh and spirit) so prevalent and with much wisdom and knowledge. It can give the keys for the tasks...most defiantly.
But it can be a dangerous book as well.
IMPO of course, always, with respect
LV
I couldn't agree with you more on this one. The killing in the name of religion far exceeds any killings God has performed.
We should be tolerant and forgiving, not using the Bible to exterminate those who don't believe in it, or don't believe it the way we do.
God Bless
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Originally posted by miriam0566
wow karl, still have people who disagree with you, so you just keep repeating yourself over and over again.
i address all of those deaths here
but to me here is the ironic thing. the discussion is not whether or not god killed those people. he did. the bible says he did. simply as that.
the question is, are those deaths justified.
the irony i see is that you are willingly to address these deaths and flaunt them, but your not willingly to even investigate whether or not these deaths are the act of a just authority.
Exactly. 30+ million deaths are attributed to God?
In the end it will be billions? Every one of them justified.
God Bless
This attitude is why the masses dont know Thee. You cant be on the same side of divinity when you have a vengeful heart of the dark troubled souls. For there is much work to be done in the area of the blessed ones finding the light in the darkest places.
What is a peacekeeper?
What is a peace bringer?
Thee never works through force. This is why there is 'will' so there can be 'offering'.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Miriam...you have to ask yourself....are these works of a divine nature. What good does these impulsive acts do a divine nature???
Does God or a divine nature act with primal impulses...like we humans act??? If so, then what is the difference between us and Thee that makes the divine and us not divine. These are impulsive behaviors that psychologist actually counsel humans to work on and control. Mabey God needs a little counseling then.
Originally posted by karl 12
reply to post by SumnerKagan
Are you sure you're not engaging in psychological projection?
Originally posted by miriam0566
my point is, your the first person to ask this question. alot of people (especially in this thread) seem to operate on the assumption that killing is ALWAYS wrong no matter what the circumstance, they never explore the possibility that there might be times when taking a life away is necessary or even just.
Originally posted by Ridhya
I believe sometimes, as in, once in a blue moon, it is justified. Nonetheless, how do you explain some as justified? Just an example,
Numbers 15 (King James translation)
35 "And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp."
He picked up some sticks, and the Lord commanded he be pummelled to death with rocks. He couldnt even kill the man peacefully!
You could argue, God made it a felony to work on this arbitrary day which he chose to commemorate the day he fell lethargic from all his creating, but then it depends what you define as work. He picked up sticks...
Justified? Only if you believe the punishment fit the crime. And I truly dont believe it did.
Dont even get me started on the Flood. He didnt even bother to save the good people before the genocide.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Originally posted by Jenglln232
Satan has a body count he just hides it better.
Who has killed more, Satan or God?
"And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 1:1-19"
Since I revised the number on God's kill list, I also have to change the God vs. Satan killing contest results. So here it is.
In a previous post, I counted the number of people that were killed by God in the Bible. I came up with 2,301,417, which, of course, greatly underestimates God's total death toll, since it only includes those killings for which specific numbers are given. No attempt was made to include the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc., with which the good book is filled. Still, 2 million is a respectable number even for world class killers.
But how does this compare with Satan? How many did he kill in the Bible?
Well I can only find ten, and even these he shares with God, since God allowed him to do it as a part of a bet. I'm talking about the seven sons and three daughters of Job.
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job ... And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
...
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD ... put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
...
And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house...And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. -- Job 1:1-19
So it seems that both Satan and God share the blame (or the credit) for these killings. If so, then the tally would be:
Killings
God 2,301,417
Satan 10
No Contest.
Originally posted by miriam0566
first off the man knew the law. he would not be able to say that he was ignorant of it.
the man knew that this law came from god himself. remember that when the assembly first arrived at the mountain god spoke to the assembly himself. the people were so scared that they insisted moses speak for him. so if god himself says ¨dont work on the sabbath¨, you dont work on the sabbath.
You could argue, God made it a felony to work on this arbitrary day which he chose to commemorate the day he fell lethargic from all his creating
he knew the command but choose to ignore it, even after agreeing to follow it.
but then it depends what you define as work. He picked up sticks...
He couldnt even kill the man peacefully!
he did, they were the ones who built the ark, remember?
and there is nothing in the account that says that others werent allowed to join them. it wasnt until after the door was shut and the rain started that people actually took noah seriously.
the some odd 40 years it took for noah to build the thing was plenty of time for the ¨good¨people to make preparations for saving their hide. the point is, they chose to ignore god´s vehicle of salvation.