Iran Says They Tested A Nuclear Bomb

Originally posted by MBSCSDD

Originally posted by Mekanic
Not trying to start anything here, but I would personally rather hear this from a neutral source. Israel isn't exactly friends with Iran, and this could be a ploy to get a war started.

I agree. We need to find some other sources that can give verification.
The question is...if true...what comes next? I think the UN would be powerless. I could see a Naval Blockade but that would force Iran into an offensive posture.

The plans for said blockade were drawn up a long time ago:

Naval Blockade of Iran plans

They were just waiting for justification.

Originally posted by mattguy404
Good find on the article!

This is just the Israeli press trying to start some some bollocks before the next US president gets in.

Why would a senior Iranian official speak to an Israeli source??? He wouldn't live very long.

It'd have to be a freakishly large nuclear test to generate that sort of richter reading, especially given the fact that Iran doesn't even possess the amount of materials required for any nuclear test, let alone a viable weapon.

We'll put this one in the bin of those stupid idiots that get on those Israeli papers saying "aww my gawwwsh, it's the end times and we're the Chosen People!™"

Iran does have that amount of material if they have the same
number of centrifuges underground that they have above ground.

And by the way, 6,000 type II weapons grade centrifuges is a lot.

news.bbc.co.uk...

We have known for quite awhile.

All they need to do is have a fair bit of them underground,
and the electricity to spin them.

Looks like Armageddon is shaping up real good as soon
as Pakistan goes all in over us blowing up schools there.

Originally posted by airlouche
Can it be the october surprise on is way? Or even a november surprise?

Well over the years the US attention span has gotten pretty short
so the timing has to be just right to make it through the
inpenetrable shield of 24x7x365 sports, porn, games, and violence.

Nuclear Weapons at the 11th hour is just what would be
needed to actually pull most ppl away from their
Bread and Circuses of almost Roman Era mob pandering.

They have kept us in a naive distracted bubble, and they
have done a damn good job of it... Someone smart said that one.

Zeitgeist seems righter and righter every day.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
This is the first time Israel has activley accused them of something measurable.

If true, this iranian scientist defected and leaked this to Israel, then im thinking Iran just bought their safety, or just bought immediate instant death. No way would anyone attack Iran now with anything less than a nuclear weapon.

If its fake, then im worried. Why such a DRAMATIC accusation at such a pivitol time.

this doesnt feel good either way!

israelinsider.ning.com...

Its funny you would say they would not attack with anything less
than a nuclear weapon.

That has been a big concern for the union of concerned scientists.

Text:

www.ucsusa.org...

Animation:

www.ucsusa.org...

RNEP: ( Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator )

en.wikipedia.org...

A new star trek variant quote of mine !

"To boldy suck like nothing has ever sucked before !"

Yeah, its almost time to read about fallout shelters ppl.

www.ki4u.com...

If Russia ends up in it at some point.

Russia is spending money getting ready for it like their pants are
on fire...

www.globalsecurity.org...

So, who knows, but I am getting ready now just in case.

Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 30-10-2008 by Ex_MislTech]

Why such a DRAMATIC accusation at such a pivitol time.

this doesnt feel good either way!

Oh, it's just a taster of what's to come, my friend.

The Jerusalem Post: Rightist bloc leads Left by eight seats in new 'Post'/Smith poll

Netanyahu is sure to become Israel's Prime Minister very soon. His message to the US? Either you attack Iran or we will.

And they will.

[edit on 30-10-2008 by chips]

[edit on 30-10-2008 by chips]

My question is this: does it matter to you if the readings don't bear out a nuclear test? What I'm getting at is that there are many people who are sitting on the edge of their seats, I'm sure, hoping that this story will turn out to be true. If it is true, it will MEAN EVERYTHING!! to them. If that's so, shouldn't it mean SOMETHING if it isn't true? Or is the mental plumbing only set to flow in one direction?

[edit on 30-10-2008 by applebiter]

Originally posted by applebiter
My question is this: does it matter to you if the readings don't bear out a nuclear test? What I'm getting at is that there are many people who are sitting on the edge of their seats, I'm sure, hoping that this story will turn out to be true. If it is true, it will MEAN EVERYTHING!! to them. If that's so, shouldn't it mean SOMETHING if it isn't true? Or is the mental plumbing only set to flow in one direction?

[edit on 30-10-2008 by applebiter]

The depth the earthquake was at makes it highly unlikely
that it could have been a nuke test.

28,000 meters deep is well over 16 miles deep, or
over 84,000 feet deep.

That depth has not be drilled anywhere by anyone to my knowledge.

The Associated Press: Intel says Iran weighing secret nuke work - 11 hours ago

VIENNA, Austria (AP) — Intelligence from a member country of the International Atomic Energy Agency says Iran has tested ways of recovering highly enriched uranium.

The intelligence says a report will soon be submitted to the Iranian leadership for a decision on whether to go ahead with the project.

The intelligence was provided to the AP by a member of the 145-nation IAEA on condition its source not be revealed because it contains confidential information.

The alleged tests seem similar to Saddam Hussein's attempts to build the bomb through reprocessing fuel and fuel waste. But experts and diplomats tell the AP that Iran would not have enough source material for a bomb.

Still, they say if Iran does reprocess the material it will advance in knowledge needed for nuclear arms.

(AP)

reply to post by MBSCSDD



Right, I think our government (USA) can monitor radiation in the area to verify that story. If it's true will they tell anyone, or keep it from us to control public opinion or fear?

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

"The plans for said blockade were drawn up a long time ago:

Naval Blockade of Iran plans

They were just waiting for justification."

Well, true or not, anyone else think this will be their 'justification'?

EMM

Also this:

NO WAY

the seismic signature of a underground nuclear test is very easy to spot.
www.llnl.gov...
www.nautilus.org...
www.evolutionnews.org...
www.eurekalert.org...
www.nautilus.org...
publicaffairs.llnl.gov...

And:

"The earthquake depth was 28.8km

www.fas.org...

QUOTE:
Most underground nuclear explosions have been detonated at depths shallower than 1.5 km; the deepest, at a depth of about 4 km. With the exception of one super-deep well to 13 km, the deepest wells drilled reach depths of 10 km.)
ENDQUOTE

If you where trying to hide an easily detectable experiment, would you not go deeper to try and mask it's effects? say, twice as deep as the current 'super deep'?

Seems plausible to me, although the source is quite biased.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

reply to post by ANNED


sorry but those arn`t true - opration plowshare had a 4.7 on the richter scale with a shallow burst of 100KT.

its a HUGE leap in explosive potential from 0.9 KT at 4.2 to 100kT at 4.7

This is a nice way to show themselves off. Atleast they were intelligent enough to practice this underground, hurting our Mother Earth. Earth 0, Humans 1

reply to post by Mekanic


Not to mention the fact that the bush administration has a history of planting "news" as well.

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by Mekanic

 

Not to mention the fact that the bush administration has a history of planting "news" as well.

And there's always AIPAC... there's a unbiased lot for you. - the single most effective PR machine wrapping its tendrils around every media production of consequence in this country.

reply to post by MBSCSDD

Isn't Iran the same idiots that swore they weren't working on nuclear weapons?

reply to post by deathhasnosound

I think it is instinctive for man to grow from what you learn. Make a wheel and what next? Make a Car? after that...a Jet, after that a Rocket...

Nuclear Material: First attempt to use for electricity...then facing all the pressue on the political side see if you can make a nuclear weapon. What better way to get the attention of the World.
I don't think this is any different than what any country would do once they being using nuclear material. This is just the beginning of things to come. Who really knows what they are up to and what their intentions are...after all...they really believe in a lot of twisted ideas. There's no telling what they are going to do next.

More muscle flexing or what? Do they just want to show off or are they trying to start a war?

In Civilization IV you can build a nuclear bomb and I can tell you that it feels good when you finally obtain it. You feel that you are over everything else, that you are all powerful. Others fear you and you happily bomb the enemy and just happily watch how their overall score/power is diminishing. I hope that Ahmadinedjad won't do it that way though. Well, all is good until you are hit by one. Then it all changes. Unless you are a fanatic...then it doesn't change...

It really looks as if we are heading towards a Falloutian post-apocalyptic world...

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

 

"The plans for said blockade were drawn up a long time ago:

Naval Blockade of Iran plans

They were just waiting for justification."

Well, true or not, anyone else think this will be their 'justification'?

EMM

Also this:

NO WAY

the seismic signature of a underground nuclear test is very easy to spot.
www.llnl.gov...
www.nautilus.org...
www.evolutionnews.org...
www.eurekalert.org...
www.nautilus.org...
publicaffairs.llnl.gov...

And:

"The earthquake depth was 28.8km

www.fas.org...

QUOTE:
Most underground nuclear explosions have been detonated at depths shallower than 1.5 km; the deepest, at a depth of about 4 km. With the exception of one super-deep well to 13 km, the deepest wells drilled reach depths of 10 km.)
ENDQUOTE

If you where trying to hide an easily detectable experiment, would you not go deeper to try and mask it's effects? say, twice as deep as the current 'super deep'?

Seems plausible to me, although the source is quite biased.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

Deepest hole drilled on earth so far was about 40,000 ft.

About half the depth the earthquake appears to have occured at.

This all sounds like an article out of Nation Enquirer.

Iran did say they were NOT building nuclear weapons a few months back.

It would not surprise me if they did build one.

anyone find anything about this??

Reuters reports Thursday morning that Iran has begun building a line of naval bases along its southern coast and up to the Straits of Hormuz.

www.israelnationalnews.com...

edit..

Iran has begun building a line of naval bases along its southern coast and up to the Strait of Hormuz at the entrance to the strategic Gulf oil waterway, the Tehran Times quoted an Iranian commander as saying.

Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said the bases were being built on the Sea of Oman coast from Pasa Bandar, near the Pakistan border, to Bandar Abbas, Iran's major port on the Strait of Hormuz, the English-language newspaper reported on Thursday.

...

"The new mission of the navy is to build an impenetrable line of defence at the entrance to the Sea of Oman," Sayyari said in Hormuzgan province in south Iran, the Tehran Times reported.

"If the enemy goes insane, we will drown them at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and the Sea of Oman before they reach the Strait of Hormuz and the entrance to the Persian Gulf," he said.

Iran has threatened to close the strait, the sea route through which two-fifths of the world's globally traded oil passes, if the United States attacked. Iranian officials have often said Washington would be foolish to contemplate an attack.

africa.reuters.com...

The Iranian commander added that the country's Armed Forces have set up an 'impenetrable naval barrier' in the eastern parts of the Strait of Hormuz and the Sea of Oman.

Moussavi also stressed the need for the expansion of Iran's military bases, arguing that, "In the past, our military had to brace itself for countering regional enemies. This is while today we are faced with extra-regional threats."

The Iranian commander's remarks come as Washington and Tel Aviv have threatened to launch military strikes on Iran, accusing the country of making efforts to build nuclear bombs.

www.presstv.ir...

"extra-regional threats"??...

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[edit on 31-10-2008 by adrenochrome]