'2 US aircraft carriers headed for Gulf'

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
2 Carrier groups is a seriously measly effort if Washington are actually planning to authorise some air strikes on Iran in support of Israel.
That would compromise at the most, around 150 fighters.

With 150 planes it would take a ridiculous amount of sorties to even make a dent on Iran's hardened underground facilities and expose them to a wide range of S-2-A threats from Iran's advanced Russian SAM's.

Wrong. 2 carriers would be 4 to 5 times as powerful as the force we used the last time we had a confrontation with Iran during Operation Praying Mantis where we only used 1 carrier. It would allow for continuous sustained 24 hour offensive with surge capability and defensive sorties in the gulf to keep the shipping lanes open, maintain air superiority, provide CAS for SOF/USMC/CSAR, local and theater missile defense and anti-shipping operations. Moreover, such a CSF would be capable of striking about 2000 aim points a day and could saturate Iran with a flurry of offensive EW as well as provide limited tanker support. This would be an overwhelming force if it was two carriers.

Also, the SAM coverage of Iran is pathetic and hindered by terrain. Iran has limited long range EW coverage and the mountains provide very good cover. You could fly through Iran at 10,000ft and avoid detection if you had accurate mapping of the EOOB which we do. Remember we have flown C-130s into Iran before and they were not opposed. Iran relies mostly on it's fighters for air defense.

All of this would be augmented by SSGNs, Strtategic Bombers and fighters and support aircraft in Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Kuwait and elsewhere. This would be extremely worrisome for Iran.

Right now we have the CVN-72 and LHA-5 in the 5th Fleet AOR. So we already have more naval firepower there than we used in Operation Praying Mantis.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by DarthAmerica]

Why is it taking so long for American media to cover this?

Originally posted by Quarantine
Why is it taking so long for American media to cover this?

Because there is nothing to cover except the dramatic progress in Iraq and increasing chaos in Afghanistan. The CVN-72 was moved south to assisti n Afghanistan and that was covered. With regard to carriers heading for the gulf. Thats a non story. There is already enough firepower in the region of strike hard against Iran if necessary.

Originally posted by DarthAmerica



Because there is nothing to cover except the dramatic progress in Iraq and increasing chaos in Afghanistan. The CVN-72 was moved south to assisti n Afghanistan and that was covered. With regard to carriers heading for the gulf. Thats a non story. There is already enough firepower in the region of strike hard against Iran if necessary.

Well, John Edwards did admit to having an affair. He says he did not love her, which is like saying he didnt inhale. Front page everywhere. Thank goodness the MSM covers crap like this, otherwise everyone else will be heading for a bomb shelter.

Originally posted by pluckynoonez

Originally posted by DarthAmerica



Because there is nothing to cover except the dramatic progress in Iraq and increasing chaos in Afghanistan. The CVN-72 was moved south to assisti n Afghanistan and that was covered. With regard to carriers heading for the gulf. Thats a non story. There is already enough firepower in the region of strike hard against Iran if necessary.

Well, John Edwards did admit to having an affair. He says he did not love her, which is like saying he didnt inhale. Front page everywhere. Thank goodness the MSM covers crap like this, otherwise everyone else will be heading for a bomb shelter.

I'd say the most geopolitically significant story of late is the Russian/Georgian conflict which is right up there with Pakistan and OEF.

I just want to add that I really feel bad for the Georgians. They are here with us trying hard to earn a place at the table in NATO and the EU yet there is little we can do to help them. They eat side by side with us in the mess hall and I enjoy the enthusiasm their soldiers have to be here working with us.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by DarthAmerica]

reply to post by pluckynoonez

Well, John Edwards did admit to having an affair. He says he did not love her, which is like saying he didnt inhale. Front page everywhere. Thank goodness the MSM covers crap like this, otherwise everyone else will be heading for a bomb shelter.

Don't forget the Paris Hilton ad!!!! Now thats what I call news!

Well this link seems to give even more details.

europebusines.blogspot.com...

Many interesting points

I read that the two carrier groups were added to intimidate Russia and China and/or preventing them from wanting to contend with such a Naval build-up in the strait of Hormuz. In other words, a stiff deturrant if Russia/China should decide to intervene in escorting tankers through the blockade.

Here is what you were looking for:


The US Naval forces being assembled include the following:

Carrier Strike Group Nine
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) nuclear powered supercarrier
with its Carrier Air Wing Two
Destroyer Squadron Nine:
USS Mobile Bay (CG53) guided missile cruiser
USS Russell (DDG59) guided missile destroyer
USS Momsen (DDG92) guided missile destroyer
USS Shoup (DDG86) guided missile destroyer
USS Ford (FFG54) guided missile frigate
USS Ingraham (FFG61) guided missile frigate
USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG60) guided missile frigate
USS Curts (FFG38) guided missile frigate
Plus one or more nuclear hunter-killer submarines

Much more here:


europebusines.blogspot.com...


[edit on 8/8/2008 by CaptGizmo]

Is there a carrier group in the Black sea?

Or the Eastern Medetterianian?

I don't believe anything will happen until after the first of next year, and I do believe it will be Israel who strikes first...

abcnews.go.com...

The Jewish state has purchased 90 F-16I fighter planes that can carry enough fuel to reach Iran, and will receive 11 more by the end of next year. It has bought two new Dolphin submarines from Germany reportedly capable of firing nuclear-armed warheads — in addition to the three it already has.

And this summer it carried out air maneuvers in the Mediterranean that touched off an international debate over whether they were a "dress rehearsal" for an imminent attack, a stern warning to Iran or a just a way to get allies to step up the pressure on Tehran to stop building nukes.

The US has to be prepared for an Iranian retaliation on its oil interests and Israel.

The US may be holding the military option back, the Israelis seem to be preparing for no other option.

reply to post by The_Alarmist2012


But that would be a big problem in a way. Should we really assume that Iran is going to hold off until the election is over? During the election would probably be the best time to attack (if they attack at all)!

-ChriS

[edit on 9-8-2008 by BlasteR]

reply to post by Truther


I had a vision of all this sometime back and i myself am amazed how it is materializing. For the resord IF the future continues as per this vision the following basic things would occur (lets see how close I get:

1) Isreal attacks Iran believing that if attacked the Messiah returns to protect them.
2) Iran attacks Jerusalem thinking that it will harald the Mahdi.
3) All over the world there is a huge crisis of faith for Hebrew, Christian and Moslem because their saviors should have arrived and did not.
4) American Jews and Evangelicals demand America immediately take control of Iran but other Islamic Nations don't want US involvement and lets just say it gets hard to keep track of what is going on in the Middle East.
4) Meanwhile during a period of almost comical negotiations with the US over its involvement in the middle east Russia and China join forces and attack 3 west coast cities on a JULY 4th with nukes (as a show of force and other reasons related to involvement in Georgia and Taiwan).

REALIZE THIS: I believe all prophecy and visions are only warnings and CAN be changed if they are revealed and then from being revealed it changes a reaction or pattern..I think that is as much as I will share for now.. but lets see what happens next and go from there.

LOVE, Tolerance and respect would change the world.. so would having our Government tell us why they already know all this and refuse to deviate and change this future.. I suppose it's now up to the people BUT they have become lazy , weak and apathetic.. how very sad !
5) Chinese Military Invades and takes control most areas west of the Rockies.
6)

Did anyone consider the timing of these events? The Russians are currently occupied with Georgia, could this have been deliberate? China has the Olympics. Could this be divisive and diversionary to keep them out of the picture? I see it as very possible that our people instigated the Georgians into moving their military in knowing full well there would be a Russian response and the Olympics have China busy. Although this would notstp their involvement, it may limit it or delay it long enough for objectives to be met then we would back off and negotiate a cease fire.

billy meier has been saying - that if the US/Israel attacks Iran there will be counterstrikes by Russia, China and so forth - basically conflagration into WW£

Time for you ATS guys - to be a bit more even handed - with the Meier case - (give it fair treatment)


Meier Case .... for Real!

20 000 missiles from iraq, i cant believe,they having probably leess the 20 000 rockets,and you know what in five minutes,you have no chance to launch 20 000 missiles.

It is up to 5 now.

www.debka.com...

I don't think anyone posted this on this thread yet.

And here it is September now and not only has nothing happened, but no one has seen this huge armada. You can't hide 1 Carrier Strike Group, let alone 3 or more, especially in the very narrow Persian Gulf.

Remember, the only news agency to report this was the Kuwaiti Times and the Kuwaiti Times only. No other news source directly reported this. The ones that did report it (no major news source did at all mind you) cited the Kuwaiti Times, meaning they didn't [couldn't] get it from an independent source.

If this massive buildup were true, they most definitely would have been spotted [over 3 weeks later now] and reported by the major news agencies (i.e. CNN, BBC, Globalsecurity.org, etc...), which again, have not done so. And not only would they have reported it, they'd be constantly all over it keeping us updated constantly about it. Again, you can't hide soemthing like that.