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Some people do not have the motivation, they lack the confidence or the importance to do things, like losing weight.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by TrekFan
On another note, there is right now a move by the Medical Review Board of the FMCSA to require commercial drivers with a BMI of 30 or more to undergo sleep apnea testing, at the driver's expense of course, to maintain their CDL. This test would be required yearly, despite the fact that there is little evidence to connect sleep apnea to BMI and the fact that BMI is itself not always an accurate measure. Muscle weighs more than fat, always has, always will. According to the BMI definition, when Arnold Swartzenegger was Mr. Universe, he was morbidly obese.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by Orwells Ghost
I hear what you're saying Deadline, and I agree with a lot of it, but what business is it of yours? Are you not free to grow as fat or smelly as you would like to? You can't seriously believe that taxing fat people would bring any benefit to society. It would just create an underclass of people and the societal blowback would be immeasurable. It's the slippery slope. Yes, we should encourage a healthy society. But that cannot be done through taxation. Isn't there enough of that? Even taxing Mickey D's or BK won't do the job. Taxing liquor and smokes sure hasn't stopped people from smoking and drinking. Can you really justify political action against fat people based on the pretext of environmentalism?
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by the titor experience
I am in the UK and we have the NHS, a national insurance system that comes from taxes and treats everyone. Your argument isn't quite true because the fat people pay mor etaxes by buying more food. Furthermore if you start arguing as you are then before long we'll be in a system wher eyou ahve to prove you're healthy before you can be treated and then before you know it we're in a private system where we each pay our health insurance.
I hate the private system teh americans have and other countries also, it's truly awful and i don't even want to risk it becoming a reality.
Originally posted by the titor experience
Too late for us - over here private health insurance is being pushed big time - both our education and health system is well into the process of "Americanisation".
Originally posted by the titor experience
Fat people are not taxed more because they buy more food. Firstly, they CHOOSE to eat more food whereas tax is something people have no choice over. Secondly, it is cheaper to eat poorly (junk food is cheaper than healthy food) so those who actually look after themselves pay MORE for their food.
Originally posted by the titor experience
Lastly, in an ideal world sure all of us would be able to get a hospital bed. But in a situation where you have a non-smoker who has excercised their whole life and in a healthy weight range, and an obese person who has crammed their body full of crap for 30 years - if both these people present to a hospital with heart pains but only 1 bed is available who deserves the bed?
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by the titor experience
Too late for us - over here private health insurance is being pushed big time - both our education and health system is well into the process of "Americanisation".
I have to say i'm rather sad that i hear this is happening in Oz, really i never expected it of you people, i have such respect for your country.
University degrees can now be bought - which means marking of assessment is less stringent because each student is contributing money to the university which in turn means the quality of the skills being produced suffers.
Private health is becoming a "must have".
It is a sad state of affairs.
Originally posted by the titor experience
Fat people are not taxed more because they buy more food. Firstly, they CHOOSE to eat more food whereas tax is something people have no choice over. Secondly, it is cheaper to eat poorly (junk food is cheaper than healthy food) so those who actually look after themselves pay MORE for their food.
Firstly i should point out that whilst it seems cheaper to use fast food it's quite wrong, i've done the figures so i know. Secondly i can speak only of the UK, the more you eat the more tax you pay as food is taxed quite often. Although cerain foods aren't taxed, look up the Jaffa cake court case for the tax issue
I do not dispute foods are taxed. But you have ignored the point that people can CHOOSE to buy food, whereas income tax people have no choice over. That being the case, it is ENTIRELY the obese persons decision as to whether they buy more food and become the drain on the health system which they are. But i have NO choice as to the tax i pay for the health system - my income is taxed automatically......they use more of our medical resources and in turn should pay more tax for this.
Lastly, i hesitate to take seriously your assertion that "you have done the figures". That will not cut it for me - show me research and i will take you more seriously.
Originally posted by the titor experience
Lastly, in an ideal world sure all of us would be able to get a hospital bed. But in a situation where you have a non-smoker who has excercised their whole life and in a healthy weight range, and an obese person who has crammed their body full of crap for 30 years - if both these people present to a hospital with heart pains but only 1 bed is available who deserves the bed?
Well i know only one doctor as a friend and she would treat the person in most need. That's the simple arguement for treatment, who needs it most. Surely that's how we want our health systems to be, to treat those in the most obvious and urgent need.
Originally posted by the titor experience
But this is the point - in a situation X such as above, where both people need it equally urgently, who deserves it? I say the healthy person.