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Originally posted by jsobecky
No you didn't. You just made some inane statement to the effect that "but the fact remains, when he was in power, it wasn't every man woman and child in the country who feared imminent death from any number of directions."
Originally posted by jsobecky
That shows that you have no clue as to the real reasons we invaded Iraq.
Originally posted by jsobecky
As for current conditions in Iraq, maybe you should stop squealing "we we we we" and look at who is sabotaging the oil lines, killing innocents with IEDs and otherwise destroying Iraq from within. Then maybe you'd realize that things are slowly improving over there. You won't hear that from left-wing blogs and media, though.
It's nothing new really. Go back to 1953. Iran's President Mossadegh tries to privatize his Oil Industry for the benefit of his nation. Washington panics. No more revenue! What happens?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by jsobecky
Where exactly are these WMD's that America fought so hard to keep the world safe from?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Where exactly is the link to Al-Qaeda, hard evidence showing Bin Laden & Hussein were in cahoots?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
None of the justifications for the Iraq War stand up to serious scrutiny.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Hell I don't understand why you don't "buy" our opinions, you bought the rantings of a misinformed, 61 year old Texan, and stack of forged documents.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
The simple fact you have to understand here, is it was a clever diversion. There were no WMD's, Saddam didn't know who Osama was, and there was no threat.
They played you and the American public like a flute, to distract you from the real objective of the Iraq War: Energy Interests
The Republicans are neck-deep in the Oil Industry. There either connected to it or have friends connected to it (the Saudis namely), and these influential individuals make trillions a year from record high Oil Profits, and they can't have such an anti-Western, anti-business individual sitting atop the world's second largest reserve of Oil.
So what do they do? Regime change...
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
It's nothing new really. Go back to 1953. Iran's President Mossadegh tries to privatize his Oil Industry for the benefit of his nation. Washington panics. No more revenue! What happens?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Your justifications about Saddam being a "bad guy", the wood chippers, the rape rooms, the human rights abuses not only form a very weak casus belli for war but have also been partly debunked.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
The so called "People Shredders" have yet to be found: www.spectator.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Nations don't like other nations, that's a given. That is not a right to go and pound each other back into the Stone Age. Just because somebody lives differently than you, doesn't mean they are evil and need to be forced into living from your perspectives.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
If I give a known felon and murder a machine gun for "deer-hunting" and he goes off and kills scores of innocent people, what am I?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Halabja would have never happened if America didn't give him a bunch of "multi-purpose" components and precursors. In the minds of the Kurds, you would be just as guilty as he is.
Originally posted by dark_matter06
I'm sorry, I feel I need to be more clear for the less, informative crowd. You simply can not compare a handgun to chemical weapons. Sad that I need to say it but I fear the education system might steer some away from my sarcasm.
[edit on 8-5-2008 by dark_matter06]
Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm sure any remaining residents of Halabja would disagree with you.
I would modify that sentence like this:
Thing's in Iraq areworsedifferent and better now than they ever were infact they will never be the same again. And that's a good thing.
Those words says more about you as an individual and your country than anything else. It's probably a good thing you left the forces.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Having and using WMDs are two different things. Or are you denying that he used them on the Kurds?
How about the woodchippers? The rape rooms? Pushing blindfolded people of of rooftops? Etc. etc.
Then try to sell your line "the fact remains, when he was in power, it wasn't every man woman and child in the country who feared imminent death from any number of directions."
Sell it somewhere else. I ain't buying it - neither are other thinking individuals.
Saddam used some of them on his own people, the UN inspectors destroyed some of them, the rest are probably in Syria.
Beats me. Who said that there was one? Not me.
We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaida sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaida organization.
"First, just if I might correct a misperception, I don’t think we ever said — at least I know I didn’t say that there was a direct connection between September the 11th and Saddam Hussein."
"9/11 Commission concluded that "to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States."
"We did not have "credible intelligence reporting" of operational collaboration between Iraq and al-Qaeda."
"..the land of the Arab world, the land is like a mother, and Saddam Hussein is #ing his mother."
That's because they are not discussed here. Well, they are, but most here don't listen to them because they don't fit in with the mainstream mantra of "Bush lied".
Because I don't play "Follow the clique". Many people here are afraid to sound even a little bit conservative because they are afraid that their buddies will not star their posts. It's a lot easier to listen to mainstream chants and mantras - that way, you don't have to think for yourself. All you're required to do is to memorize the following: : "Bush lied! People died!"
That area of the world supplies 2/3 of the world's petro requirements. Things were deteriorating to the point that, if left unchecked, would have caused major instability in the world's markets. If you think $3.55/gallon is bad, and it is, the price would double if something wasn't done.
It's not finished, yet. But Saddam is gone, Iraq is stabilizing, and Iran has been put on major notice.
Incorrect. How much oil do we get from Iran today? Hint: less than we get from Iraq. Iow, zero, nada, nil.
Besides, if oilco revenues decline, what is the easiest solution? To raise prices.
"The Eisenhower administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons. But the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development and it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America."
This isn't a matter of not liking kibbe batata. If genocide is being committed, nations have an obligation to stop it.
You're a criminal if he goes home and throws the gun in a bonfire. Felons don't get machine guns. That makes the rest of your argument .
You know that for a fact, right? Saddam wouldn't have found another method to commit his atrocities, right?
This is not a "Republican" issue.
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
You are telling someone that has been In Iraq that things are better now that we have invaded it?
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
when in fact you have never been in IRAQ yourself?
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Just because your a CNN, FOX armchair warrior does not give you the right to talk as if you know that IRAQ is somehow a better country now..
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Do you realize that over 1 MILLION innocent IRAQIS have perished due to our invasion and our policing?
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
And FYI IRAQ had nothing to do with 911 so don't even bring up that card, people like you disgust me.
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
I suggest you sign up right now ( I know a great recruiter) and put your money where your mouth is, since you think that Iraq is a better country now..