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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by Maxmars
"..... pre-screened" to uphold the vested interests of the above entities. Otherwise, they would never be given a shot (i.e. Rion Paul) by the corrupted media (which are also extensions of the above entities).
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
So our ever-idiotic Decider in Chief basically admits he has pissed all over international law, and AUTHORIZED WAR CRIMES! And he is completely indifferent to it! There's no doubt whatsoever now, EVERYONE at the top of this administration are ALL GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES!
Please, would somebody bring these animals to justice...Please.
Title 18 deals with Crimes and Criminal Procedure. For someone to be prosecuted, he would have to had lied under oath.
I don't remember Bush having lied under oath.
Originally posted by dubiousone
No, under 18 USC Section 1001 it is crime to lie to Congress. Being under oath is not required. You can repeat that bit of misinformation all you want. The statute speaks for itself. Once again, here's the link: www.law.cornell.edu... . I suggest you read the statute before saying yet again that it isn't a crime to lie to Congress if the liar is not under oath.
[edit on 4/13/2008 by dubiousone]
Originally posted by CX
This guy and his administration never ceases to amaze me.
I'd never wish the use of torture on anyone, friend or foe, but next time i hear of one of our guys having been tortured, beheaded or whatever, i really don't think i will be able to feel as disgusted as i used to.
If we do it and think it's fine, who are we to moan when they do it to our guys?
Bush is a prize tool, i swear to God that guy is a monkey that has been put in a suit and strategicaly shaved!
CX.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Besides, the allegations of "lying" are in many cases opinion only.
please do try to keep up.
posted by jsobecky here
The Center for Public Integrity | The War Card | Orchestrated Deception On The Path To War
President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.
On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war.
It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11 Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose "Duelfer Report" established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.
That's what I remember of the case. I can't remember the guy's name. No facts fudged here.
And I'm not interested in your "understanding" of the case.
posted by jsobecky here
Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by budski
and again I ask you:
How many terror plots have already been foiled since the topic of waterboarding first surfaced?
Please tell me where we were attacked?
This is proof enough!
Originally posted by goosdawg
Originally posted by jsobecky
Besides, the allegations of "lying" are in many cases opinion only.
Submitted for your perusal; the 935 documented lies made post 9/11 to the American public and the world at large.
Lies about Iraqi Nukes
On December 16, 1998, Bill Clinton informed the nation that he had ordered military action against Iraq. No less than three times Clinton referred to Iraq's nuclear arms or nuclear program.
Example 1: "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."
Example 2: "Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas, or biological weapons."
Example 3: "And so we had to act and act now. Let me explain why. First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years."
Originally posted by goosdawg
It's easy to dispute the truth with nothing but opinion backed up with zero evidence, isn't it?
Originally posted by jsobecky
This "source you cite is nothing but BS. Why? Because Bush was not the first president to claim that Iraq had WMD's:
Originally posted by jsobecky
Clinton and all of his administration, the world intelligence network, and other world leaders all asserted prior to 9/11 that Hussein had WMD's. So the "lie", if you want to call it that, pre-dates Bush. Your "source" is bogus.
The Mission of the Center for Public Integrity
The Mission of the Center for Public Integrity
The mission of the Center for Public Integrity is to produce original investigative journalism about significant public issues to make institutional power more transparent and accountable. To pursue its mission, the Center:
* Generates high-quality, accessible investigative reports, databases and contextual analysis on issues of public importance.
* Disseminates work to journalists, policymakers, scholars and citizens using a combination of digital, electronic and print media.
* Educates, engages and empowers citizens with tools and skills they need to hold governments and other institutions accountable.
* Organizes and supports investigative journalists around the world who apply the Center's goals and standards to cross-border projects.
* Remains independent by building a strong and sustainable financial base of support, including a community of committed individuals and foundations.
The Center is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, non-advocacy, independent journalism organization based in Washington, D.C.
Emphasis mine
Originally posted by goosdawg
Originally posted by jsobecky
This "source you cite is nothing but BS. Why? Because Bush was not the first president to claim that Iraq had WMD's:
"Wah, it's not fair! Billy lied so why can't Georgie lie too!?"
Puerile and weak...:shk:
What do the lies of others have to do with the 935 documented lies perpetrated by the top dogs of the Bush administration?
Originally posted by goosdawg
But Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 anyway, so, besides attempting to obfuscate the point of this discussion, (for what reason, one might ask?) one really doesn't see the point of your off-topic meandering.
Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11.
statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Originally posted by goosdawg
BTW, did I happen to mention | The Center for Public Integrity?
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by goosdawg
Originally posted by goosdawg
Originally posted by jsobecky
This "source you cite is nothing but BS. Why? Because Bush was not the first president to claim that Iraq had WMD's:
"Wah, it's not fair! Billy lied so why can't Georgie lie too!?"
Puerile and weak...:shk:
What do the lies of others have to do with the 935 documented lies perpetrated by the top dogs of the Bush administration?
It makes them pointless. It makes your whole debate nothing but cherrypicking.
You're dazed and confused.
posted by jsobecky here
please do try to keep up.
posted by jsobecky here