The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition

Where does mister.old.school show up in the thread? I'd be interested to know, but would rather not wade through all of it.

Look at the argument style. I looked up the two main players on that site both are listed scientologists but i think are now in freezone (ron's org). I'm not sure what's going on but someone was willing to spend a lot of energy on that hoax and a group to back him up. It's too much for me to wade as well.
mister.old.school argues exact same way. almost casual point by point and letting flames rise.

See also this post: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Same style. Almost casual start people slowly backing up. Meet you there?




[edit on 3-3-2008 by helatrobus]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
A notorious and wide-ranging Internet hoax, Project Serpo, played out on ATS a few years ago. The hoax was extraterrestrial related, and one of the facilitators of the hoax was found to have a Scientology connection.

Well, how very interesting. I did not know that. I have learnt two things today while on ATS. Probably more, but two stand out for the moment!

Leads me to wonder why bother starting a hoax? Surely there would have to be a reason?

Would a hoax be created to stimulate recruitment of lets say...alternative faiths based on extra terrestrials?

Oh and rather edit to add this, I feel this warrants a post all by itself:

The thing that urks me is that on this very public, very busy forum, anon & scientology are getting even more attention

Isn't anon getting enough as it is? Is anon now using ATS for the recruitment and marketing of their agenda? How very pathetic.

Pay for and manage your own site and market yourselves! Rather than leeching off public domains!!!!

I don't care whether anon is a group of people, an organisation or even a Govt initiative; I feel anon is nothing more than spam

I have noticed an increase in topics authored by new members all banging the anonymous drum. On this very thread, we have a member called anonomous number whatever.

The anon agenda is ugly, it is offensive and undemocratic. It isn't even intelligent. Their agenda breaches fundamental civil liberties; the Individual's privacy and rights.

EDIT: If a group of people were genuinely committed to a cause, why the need for violence and assaults? Why the terror undertone or secrecy?

Why not just come out and say, this is who we are and this is where our head office is and we can be contacted here!





[edit on 3-3-2008 by Thurisaz]

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May i suggest research? Can you please leave sources when making ridiculous claims?

Originally posted by Thurisaz
Why not just come out and say, this is who we are and this is where our head office is and we can be contacted here!

The issue has been touched on earlier in this thread. In summary, Anonymous is a population of posters to anonymous forums around the world, which forums are somewhat like this one, but with neither the requirement nor the custom of using names or pseudonyms when posting. Relevant links include the below:

en.wikipedia.org...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

(If I may be so bold as to refer to one of my earlier posts in this thread.)

Originally posted by helatrobus
Are you saying mr.old.school and his backers tried to start another hoax here? It runs very similar to what happened on that thread.

Not at all. I haven't seen anything in his posting history that would indicate he does anything but attempt to expose hoaxes.

My point was, that Scientology cult members have been caught being involved in Internet hoaxes. Just another data-point about the cult and one tactic observed here.

Originally posted by Thurisaz
HAY GUYZ WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

I HAVE NOT READ ANY OF IT AND WANT TO REITERATE POINTS MADE ALREADY MANY TIMES AND DISPROVED JUST AS MANY TIMES LOL

Isn't anon getting enough as it is? Is anon now using ATS for the recruitment and marketing of their agenda? How very pathetic.

This thread wasn't started by an anon. We just came here to join the discussion. Given that this is a public site, we have as much right to be here as you do.

Pay for and manage your own site and market yourselves! Rather than leeching off public domains!!!!

We do.
www.enturbulation.org
www.exscientologykids.com
www.partyvan.info
www.encyclopediadramatica.com
And so on.

Also, I don't think you really understand the term "public domain."

I have noticed an increase in topics authored by new members all banging the anonymous drum. On this very thread, we have a member called anonomous number whatever.

OH GOD NO SOMEONE FROM ANONYMOUS JOINED OUR FORUM

The anon agenda is ugly, it is offensive and undemocratic. It isn't even intelligent. Their agenda breaches fundamental civil liberties; the Individual's privacy and rights.

What the hell are you talking about?
The right to speak one's opinion and act on it within the limits of the law is one of the very underpinnings of democracy.
How do we breach anyone's privacy or rights? We don't follow anyone to their house, Scientologists do. We don't send private investigators after anyone, the Scientologists do. The Scientologists are the ones who infringe on the freedom of speech and freedom of association of its current members, ex members and critics.

Did you even do any research or did you decide to come in here and say some dumb stuff that's been disproven many times already in the thread? Back your statements up with facts.

EDIT: If a group of people were genuinely committed to a cause, why the need for violence and assaults? Why the terror undertone or secrecy?

What violence? Are you insane? So far there has not been ONE case of an Anonymous member being violent. As to the secrecy, again, it's been covered MANY times. Just research Fair Game. We don't want the CoS to come after us for daring to criticize them.

Why not just come out and say, this is who we are and this is where our head office is and we can be contacted here!

We don't HAVE a head office.

We can be contacted at, for example, enturbulation.org.

We are people. We're just people who saw this and said this is not right, we have to take a stand.

Not at all. I haven't seen anything in his posting history that would indicate he does anything but attempt to expose hoaxes.

My point was, that Scientology cult members have been caught being involved in Internet hoaxes. Just another data-point about the cult and one tactic observed here.

Yes you give a good point. Something to always be considered when dealing with these guys.

However I did find the following worth considering in data point collection of your own:

Bill Ryan left ats after being ousted on the diagrams fiasco, regarding serpio, and having his hoax exposed.

mr.old.school joins shortly after (1/5/2005) The day before the fiasco went out of control and his scientology connection was exposed.

Both mr.old.school and Bill Ryan are linguistically similar.

Both present their arguments in similar form, starting a thread based on "anonymous" sources in point by point form.

They both, in regards, supply a rational background of known phenomena (here FBI survelance and in serpio area 51, saying that it is known, i mean a meme in the community mindset) and then ad a dissinilar conclusion based on anonymous sources as so to provide it as FACT.

I must say, very clever way of disseminating false information.

Both appear causal and friendly.

Both seem to have a greater agenda.

Both disapear when their theory is exposed.

Both have what seems like a "team" that helps them through and back them up.

One long time member in particular but i won't SINGALUR him out, defends both to great extent even in the face of irrifutable evidence.

Both appear to have no concience to what they are doing.

Like mr.old.school says:

The dots have been laid before you and connected into a sinister "conspiracy theory" that fits known facts,

For a thorough explaination of OSA techniques in regards to forums and how they do it. See THIS




[edit on 3-3-2008 by helatrobus]

[edit on 3-3-2008 by helatrobus]

Originally posted by helatrobus
For a thorough explaination of OSA techniques in regards to forums and how they do it. See THIS

One of the interesting things about this (I hadn't seen the thread before) is its clear illustration of certain advantages of anonymity in on-line discussion, at least with respect to OSA tactics -- it seriously hampers the avenue of leveling personal attacks against long-time critics, as well as diminishing any value in creating 'new identities', as all identities are already equivalent. They do still seem determined to create noise threads, but it isn't clear exactly what can be done about this, aside from having fun with it (and it can be a lot of fun to play with OSA trolls on our boards).

One of the interesting things about this (I hadn't seen the thread before) is its clear illustration of certain advantages of anonymity in on-line discussion,

Quite ironic hey...The very thing they are attacking Anon for they are doing themselves.

This is my first post to ATS. I've always like to read the interesting material found here.

I'm definitely not a Scientologist or Anonymous supporter. The Anonymous vs. Scientology attack was a first to me anyway. I know the war between the wikipedia admins and a number of other groups against Scientology has been going for awhile but found the way this whole thing is "advertised" alarming. For instance I'm starting to very much dislike how the magazine "wired.com" has behaved concerning this. They are just as biased as the rest of the them which is their prerogative, but illuminating to me.

If "we" don't like a group of people, say witches, then should "we" burn them at the stake?

Its the control and manipulation of the group mind. The tactics that Anonymous is using is exactly what they accuse Scientology of doing, except they don't get paid. I saw a video called "The Lucifer Effect" which I think describes what is happening here - how to make good people do bad things. By here I mean with both Scientology and Anonymous. If Anonymous really think getting rid of Scientology will solve the problem then they know little of history.

Chanology, Ebaumsworld, Somethingawful -> Cult of the Dead Cow

I think we should be asking who is really behind CDC!

I really don't understand how a group of people can create so much chaos and get away with it for years!

Also Anonymous isn't that harmless for instance:
Wired.com - Anthrax Hoaxes Hit Scientology HQs, Bad Thetans
How expensive is it to shut down a roadway or two or call out a hazmat team?

I wouldn't suggest going partyvan.info or if you do clear your cache and cookies especially if you've logged on to a bank site where that information can be retrieved.

2cents

Originally posted by helatrobus
Both seem to have a greater agenda.

Both disapear when their theory is exposed.

My only agenda is to expose falsehoods and speculate on the covert manipulation behind current events.

And, here I am. I apologize if my busy offline life has inspired your conjecture in unproductive directions.

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I'm not sure whether it adds much to your hypothesis, but Voltar (of mister.old.school's ill-known 'Project Voltar') appears to be a somewhat obscure reference (except to fans, I suppose) to an L. Ron Hubbard novel:

en.wikipedia.org...
ocmb.xenu.net...

Originally posted by candlelight32
I'm definitely not a Scientologist or Anonymous supporter. The Anonymous vs. Scientology attack was a first to me anyway. I know the war between the wikipedia admins and a number of other groups against Scientology has been going for awhile but found the way this whole thing is "advertised" alarming. For instance I'm starting to very much dislike how the magazine "wired.com" has behaved concerning this. They are just as biased as the rest of the them which is their prerogative, but illuminating to me.

If "we" don't like a group of people, say witches, then should "we" burn them at the stake?

Its the control and manipulation of the group mind. The tactics that Anonymous is using is exactly what they accuse Scientology of doing, except they don't get paid. I saw a video called "The Lucifer Effect" which I think describes what is happening here - how to make good people do bad things. By here I mean with both Scientology and Anonymous. If Anonymous really think getting rid of Scientology will solve the problem then they know little of history.

Your interest in this story, knowledge of the Church's battles elsewhere on the Internet, and interest in such recurring CoS themes as mind control, religious persecution, and historicism are fascinating. If it were offered that the target of criticism were not Scientology, but a Church leadership criticized repeatedly from many sides, I wonder what your response might be.

Originally posted by mister.old.school
My only agenda is to expose falsehoods and speculate on the covert manipulation behind current events.

And, here I am. I apologize if my busy offline life has inspired your conjecture in unproductive directions.

I think his somewhat baseless conjecturing shows just how easy it is to make baseless conjectures and present them as valid theories. :V

CANDLELIGHT32

This is my first post to ATS. I've always like to read the interesting material found here.

For someone who is not a supporter of scientology you seem to have a great interest and deep knowledge of the situation, escpecially the pro scientology side.

And here you are with your first post. What a quaint coincidence.

Your statements are unfounded and biased and in respect to your extensive access to news resources particularly missing important information which i hope, if you are honest, you will actually make comment on.

If you are honest and truthfully interested in this subject then you would have come accross a lot of information in your cyber travels.

Of particular interest is L R Hubbards criminal history and how that has translated into the Cults very own current criminal history.

So thankyou for bringing this up and your honesty is appreciated, rather than try to cutail the points. These point are:

1. Thousands of ex members currently charge CO$ with human rights abuses on a large scale, including false imprisonment, forced abortions, deception, fraud, sexual abuse cover ups and child abuse.
For your refference is:
lisa trust
xenu.net
Scientologylies.com
lisamacpherson.org
scientology-kills.net
clambake.com
factnet
holysmoke.org

to name but a few.

One dedicated entirely to Child Abuse in the Cult of $cientology is:
exscientologykids

and for those interested in stories of ex members and an insight on how the cult works and a sumery of the c:
exscn.net

But lets not stop there. Also is the vast list of cult awareness groups such as:
culthelp.info
cultnews
ex-cult.org
freedomofmind.com
The Rick Ross Institute

Likewise just to name a few.

So you'd know that in comparison to some corn starch, it is quite laughable to compare the hideous crimes of this mind controling cult to a peacfull protest.

With scientology's long history of deception in order to maintain it's outcome (fully documented in above sites) , it is equally obvious that the church probably had something to do with that as well as anything we might see, say a couple of days before March 13, the next protests.

So, Anonymouse are not looking at burning anyone. They want full and open investigation of Scientology's crimes without hinderence from the cult. They want it so ex-members can come forward and use their free speech granted to them by birth right and let people know what is going on.

Another anthrax sending, cyber terrorists, hate crime spreading evil alien infested, destructor of world peace, protestor.


This is Why.

since i came to this thread i've been battling with an email worm that sends out random emails without my knowledge or consent, it's using up the remaining cycles of my computer. i'm too poor to buy another, so i will become a virtual prisoner in my home after this (i'm handicapped).

do you folks know how i can get rid of this worm? i don't know what it's called yet because i haven't been able to successfully find it much less remove it

oh and as a side note, someone started posting porn on my mmorpg forums around the same time as this started. and i had to close them down. even though they weren't technically open for usage by anyone other than me anyway. i set them as admin only, came back and someone had reset it back to everyone, and reposted more porn. so i had to close it.

at this juncture i should mention that participation in this thread has been bad news, regardless of who is right or wrong and now i would just like to know what to do to fix my comp.


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Both disapear when their theory is exposed.

My only agenda is to expose falsehoods and speculate on the covert manipulation behind current events.

And, here I am. I apologize if my busy offline life has inspired your conjecture in unproductive directions.

Can you just state the truth? Are you or have you ever had affiliations with the Scientology?

What are those experiences?

Why don't you ever address rebutals?

Can you do so now please? Particularly the ones regarding the criminal history of L R Hubbard and The Churc of Scientology including current crimes being done which it has not stopped.

Thnak you.