Will a North American Union have a new Constitution and a new Bill of Rights?

Could that be the first major step in disarming the American public? I'd bet a nut that there won't be a right to bear arms in any new Bill of Rights. God knows how many other right will be gone with the stroke of a few pens.

And on that same note, who will be the new "Founding Fathers"? It makes me wretch just thinking about the possible candidates.

Peace

[edit on 11-10-2007 by Dr Love]

New bill of rights.

1. You have the right to say anything as long as it offends no-one and does not contradict any statement made by your government. You may chose to practice any government approved religion. Your right to assemble must be limited to groups no larger than three people at a time.

2. You have the right to call an approved government agency in the event of any personal emergency.

3. No soldier or govenment official may take over your private place of residence unless a formal verbal request is made by that person at least 3 minutes in advance.

4. You have the right to be secure in your place of residence and personal effects unless the government deems it necessary to seize such items.

5. You have a right to a trial when charge with an offense, time permitting. If time is available for a trial and you are exhonerated of the charges made against you, the government may re-charge you up to three times. (the new three strikes law) Your property may not be taken at any time for any reason unless it is deemed necessary by a government official.

6. If you are granted a trial (time permitting of course), you may request to have a trial jury of law enforcement officers.

7. See 5 and 6.

8. You will not be subject to cruel and unusual punishment unless you are thought to posess information the government wants.

9. Rights not specified in this bill of rights cannot be assumed to exist.

10. Reserved for possible future use.

If that whole post was right off the top of your head, that was genius!

Originally posted by logicize
3. No soldier or govenment official may take over your private place of residence unless a formal verbal request is made by that person at least 3 minutes in advance.

In all seriousness though, something has to give in the creation of such a union. You can't have three previously sovereign countries, each with their own structure of law, come together without coming up with a whole new rule of law. It CAN'T happen.

Peace

That's a pretty long pen they're usin' Doc'. Sound of shotgun racking. Be a real shame if something were to happen' to them there floundering father fellas. Vic lights a real Cuban cigar with a Canadian C-note has a couple quick puffs and exhales luxuriously, takes a sip of super-cold Stoli, "Yup, a real shame".

Danny Williams might have somethin' to say about that...

Cheers, great thread!

vic

All I know is I'm not going to accept it nor will I just sit back and let it happen, I'll do what I have to do when the time comes...

The Bill of rights don't give me my rights, I'm born with them, it protects whats already mine.

They can write whatever the hell they want, it will change nothing, all they will gain from such actions will be a fierce and dedicated insurgency.

You can bet that any NAU will include the removal of guns from the war mongering Americans. I don't think Canada will put up with more guns on the street unless the economic incentive is extremely high. And at this point, America needs our resources more than we need their problems.

If this ever happens, and I hope it doesn't, America will need to dump it's Constitution and Bill Of Rights, and adopt a new one that encompasses all the people of North America.

Bye-bye guns, it's back to fighting with knives and blunt objects.


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[edit on 11/10/2007 by anxietydisorder]

read what Robert Pastor has said as he's the author of this NAU idea.

From what Ive read, we'll be more like a socialist goverment. The really scary and disgusting part is there will another branch of the goverment. Sorta like an economic branch of goverment and will be headed by corporations. Not that it surprises me, after the NAU was dreamed up to benefit corporations owned by the elite

You can be those pesky loopholes will be closed.

1. It will be legal for a private bank to print our money. Currently the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional. We have it in our power to abolish the Fed and allow the goverment to print our money interest free. The NAU will surely have a private central bank and whatever constitution will make it the law

2. Income taxes - right now many are winning their cases against the IRS and the goverment. Mostly based on the fact that one's personal labor isnt defined as "income" by the consitution and therefore cant be taxed. You can bet the NAU constitution will allow for any and all forms of taxation

3. gun ownership - despite that canadian who posted above about us dirty americans needing their resource garbage, guns are needed to defend against goverments. Thats why we were granted gun rights. Read your history, every single time in history a brutal dictator took power he first outlawed private gun ownership. Without weapons, we are utterly defenseless and powerless to stop the elite corporate takeover.

4. private property - from what ive read from Robert Pastor and his elite sleazebag friends, private property will be a thing of the past. Us middle class and poor folk will be told where to live. And its not going to be our comfy 2400 square foot homes with a pool in the back...more like Soviet Russia where we'll live in dingy cramped apts like a commune

I dread the future if this NAU happens

Originally posted by admriker444

3. gun ownership - despite that canadian who posted above about us dirty americans needing their resource garbage, guns are needed to defend against goverments. Thats why we were granted gun rights. Read your history, every single time in history a brutal dictator took power he first outlawed private gun ownership. Without weapons, we are utterly defenseless and powerless to stop the elite corporate takeover.

"dirty americans" is your phrase, not mine, and no, we won't accept you as you are.

Our "resource garbage" is what fuels your country, or didn't you know that Canada supplies more oil to your country than any other nation on the globe ?
More wood, more minerals, more electricity, etc......
No other nation on the globe supplies more "resource garbage" (raw materials) to the United States than Canada does.
I just worry you'll come looking for more by force because you have a habit of doing that.

You don't need a gun to defend yourself against your government, you only need to stop supporting them. Stop funding them through taxes if you choose, or refuse to allow them to continue running the country by popular protest.

Americans have become blind, and it actually surprises me that you aren't a more proactive nation of people. If you're worried about a corporate takeover of your nation, stop buying their products and become less self centered, and maybe a little more self-sufficient.

You don't need a gun, you need to start buying products made in America so that you can eliminate poverty. Once poverty is gone you will see a drop in crime. A drop in crime will reduce the need for citizens to have guns.

If you truly want to uphold the second amendment I would suggest you hand a gun to every citizen on their 18th birthday. Then make it mandatory for them to carry it loaded at all times as part of a well regulated Militia.
We all know that's what's necessary to the security of a free State.

That little ink stain of "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed" has given you the highest murder and suicide by gun rates in the world.
I hope you're proud of living by archaic ideals set down by men long dead.:shk:

Originally posted by C0le
The Bill of rights don't give me my rights, I'm born with them, it protects whats already mine.

That's an interesting, and more correct way of putting it.

I'm always trying to figure out how Americans will be disarmed. It really is the only stumbling block to world change. It not a matter of if, but of when and how. Maybe the Canadian and Mexican armies will be used in some way.

You know, that brings up another question, would armed forces be merged as well?

Peace

The mexican constitution grants their citizens the "right" to firearms, within limits. If a new constitution is drafted for the NAU, I would not be surprised to see similar language restricting firearms.

A new constitution, adopted in 1917, at last recognized a right to arms. Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution, as amended, states:

“The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have the right to possess arms in their homes for their security and legitimate defense with the exception of those prohibited by federal law and of those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and National Guard. Federal law shall determine the cases, conditions and place in which the inhabitants may be authorized to bear arms.”

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For the same reasons you posted I do not find the north American union a threat to our constitution or bill of rights.

Because not patriotic American not matter what side of the party lines comes will never allow the government to do away with it.

It will be bloody and It will be lost of life.

The fight to preserve our nation will become priority for every American citizens.

Unless we are so caught up on another war, disaster or terrorist attack that we may be blinded by promises.

BTW logicize the new constitution is just hilarious, but it could become a realitiy if we the people allow it.

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If that's the case of the government granting the rights, they're not rights at all. It's a facade.

So you take the mexican constitution aspect on guns as a right? "You can keep a firearm to protect your house from a rabid dog, but not in the case the government wishes to overtake you home."

Please.

Let's assume this all comes to fruition (by the way, I think this is more a trade agreement then anything, but their are aspects I don't like, and so let's asuume we are heading for an "american EU".).

Just what does the US Armed Forces do about this? Merging Canada's military into the US would be easy, and in many cases has been virtually done already going back to WWII. But the Mexican army is a joke, and very unprofessional. But more importantly generations of Americans (and the officer corp in particular) has been sworn to "defend the Constitiution against all Enemies, foregin and domestic". If that's the case, I don't see many in the US Armed Forces accepting this real well. And that's the active duty portion. Plenty of retired and former military that are trained and own firearms that would make a pretty good insurgent force against this. I don't see it going over well, depending on the depth of this "union".

Besides getting rid of the firearms would be bad, but converting from American football to that "sport" called soccer would just tip the scale for me!!!!!!!!! In fact the soccer moms are already lulled into it, because "soccer" is "safer" then football. Country is becoming full of wennies.

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Its been done already, in 1871, newly created USCORP adopts the original Constitution in copy and paste fashion and begins adding Amendments to it. The original Constitution still has 13 Amendments. The founding fathers have already puked.

Originally posted by anxietydisorder
You can bet that any NAU will include the removal of guns from the war mongering Americans. I don't think Canada will put up with more guns on the street unless the economic incentive is extremely high. And at this point, America needs our resources more than we need their problems.

If this ever happens, and I hope it doesn't, America will need to dump it's Constitution and Bill Of Rights, and adopt a new one that encompasses all the people of North America.

Bye-bye guns, it's back to fighting with knives and blunt objects.


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[edit on 11/10/2007 by anxietydisorder]

Do you honestly think that's how it would be?

If that happens, the LAW ABIDING citizens will be defending themselves with knives and blunt objects while the criminals pick them off one by one with THEIR guns.

The ONLY thing a law can do is take the guns from citizens who choose not to break that law.


Do you think the criminals will care?

I don't see the NAU becoming a reality anytime soon. In order for it to exist, it would have to be put to a vote. And Mexico is the weakest link that prevents this vote from succeeding. Because a vote by Canada or the States to accept the NAU is a vote for them to inherit Mexico's problems. Who's going to want to do that?

Im not a democrat, Im not a republican, Im a Patriot I believe in what our founding fathers gave us. There are a lot of Americans that feel the same way.So if and when they try to take that away from us there will be a lot of blood shed in this country.

It may be hard for anyone outside the U.S. to comprehend, but there is NO WAY guns could be banned in this country without massive civil uprising. Think you can really stop the government from controlling you by not paying taxes, etc?

Why do people assume that Canada, Mexico or the United States would lose their sovereignty? Look at the EU, I don't see all of the countries that are involved in that losing their sovereignty. Completely throwing out their old laws and re-writting everything from the ground up? Suddenly all our borders are going to be gone? Doubt it. So far all I have seen are bad pictures of fake money and discussions about trade and keeping close ties with both of our neighbors. Plus, wasn't the constitution already re-written by Bush? I mean, it is just a stupid piece of paper after all...

Believe it. If the NAU comes to pass the US and Canada will loose. Who will gain, Mexican workers. Do I down on Mexico for this> Of course not!

But what will happen is the American and Canadian workers will be lowered to Mexican standards. Ya thats right. Expect trailer parks to be the new housing network. Just forget about suburbs, they will cease to exist. Believe this, after the American economic crash the middle class WILL cease to exist.

As to the OP. Ya forget about the bill of rights. Gone, nill, wont exist.
Just imagine the whole of NA living in trailer parks under a new age tyranny.

[edit on 17-10-2007 by Techsnow]