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Originally posted by Copernicus
I dont know, the more I read about these things, the more I get convinced they are accurate. For example, I hardly understand how anyone can think 9/11 was NOT a inside job when looking at the evidence.
And I guess at the moment, there are so many things not making sense that people start to wonder what the hell is going on... most of us can feel it.
I read a lot of books about the "freemasons conspiracy" and believed much of it. My imagination ran wild with theories of my own. I pointed out symbolism to friends of mine. I wrote essays about the Illuminati and the world conspiracy.
In my twenties, my interest in conspiracy-theory waned
* The conspiracy-literature and especially the anti-masonic literature was published by sources I find questionable (fundamentalist christians and muslims, nazis and communists)
* That having money and power doesnt equate evil
* That there must be so many competing factions that the "one grand conspiracy" is probably not true.
it was when I got to know someone who was a freemason and actually joined freemasonry, that my belief in these type of conspiracy theories totally crumbled. In light of the actual facts, none of it could be upheld.
first I realized freemasonry was neither a grand conspiracy, nor was it a path to enlightenment. Initially it was a path to boredom.
I now look at these conspiracy-theories and think: "Wow. How could I ever have believed all that nonsense?"
As I grew a bit more mature, I began appreciating freemasonry for what it really is: A system of gentle education to become a better person and a place to meet friends in an unsual atmosphere outside of daily life. Nothing more, nothing less.
to all of you who think there is something mysterious, or evil or extremely powerful behind freemasonry: There isnt. Maybe there used to be, but today there isnt. Or maybe I havent been recruited by the "circles within circles" but after all I have seen, I really doubt that too.
This is coming from someone who really believed the lluminati-conspiracy-theories a long time ago.
Huge chunks of your post I agree with, but this much I want to know: just how high in Masonry have you gotten?
The highest echelons of free masonry consisting of global financiers, politicians and business leaders meeting in secret to plot the subjegation of someone...
The highest echelons of 'nothing' consisting of global financiers, politicians and business leaders meeting in secret to plot the subjegation of someone..
Any mason 32nd degree and under don't know squat anyways. The 33s laugh at you guys.
I do think it can be abused for nefarious purposes, like just about anything else. Furthermore, I think Masonry may in fact appear mundane for someone who does not delve deep into its lore, but I, even as a non-Mason have studied just a few works about Masonry by Masons, find it to a mysterious and rich tapestry.
this is only your own experience, and it appears your original concept of conspiracy was freemasonry. Of course, that was inaccurate - but don't hold that against all of the valid conspiracies out there.
the material you chose to read was, perhaps. that does not mean it's all from crazies. I have come across quite a few questionable sources myself. That's why it's important to keep looking for more and more info, from different sources.
who ever said it did? does this also mean that absence of power and money also means absence of "evil?" also, evil is such a subjective concept, it's not really fair or accurate to judge things on a scale of good/evil. There are too many shades of gray to choose.
* i disagree. just as simple as that. What about CFR, Trilateral and Bilderbergs? These are international alliances that transcend political parties and economic systems. As far as one "grand" conspiracy, perhaps you are just using the wrong perspective.
does your lodge somehow represent every lodge on earth, and all the lodges that existed before you became a mason, or even before you were born?
I'm a bit taken back by this statement. If you truly joined to learn more about satanism, politics and business deals - than again, you had the wrong perspective from the start.
like which ones in particular? False flag operations? Skull and Bones opium trade? Iran-Contra conflict? Bavarian Illuminati? etc... to realize that your association of freemasons + worldwide conspiracy is false is on thing... but to just say "well, i guess ALL conspiracy theories are fantasy" is a dangerous outlook.
again, I have to disagree. Although many many people treat masonry as a social club, it is NOT. It's not about charity, or fundraisers, or a dinner club. It really is about enlightenment, but not for all. At the risk of sounding snobby, I would even move so far as to say less than 50% of people join masonry and follow through for true personal development. The rest just accept it as a social club to meet friends - "nothing more, nothing less."
.this again is a dangerous outlook, in my opinion. There are probably hundreds of thousands of police stations in the US. To work at one of these for a couple years, and not encounter any wrongdoing - would not say anything for the other hundreds of thousands. On the same token - just because the LAPD is known for police brutality, doesn't mean it's the same i in Kennebunkport , Maine. It's also very evident that you are still equating "conspiracies" with freemasonry. Just drop that entire concept.