Shut up and eat your dinner

Originally posted by zysin5
For one I cant eat spicy food.. Ulcer.. And a doctor told me not to eat spicy food, Are you trying to tell me its all in my head???

So, he must be right because he's a doctor?

Not only is capsaicin not bad for an ulcer, it may actually help heal them. It has antibacterial properties and also a general digestive aid, increasing secretions of saliva and gastric juices, and promoting intestinal activity. Furthermore, in studies with animals, cancer researchers have found that capsaicin keeps certain carcinogens from binding to DNA, giving it merit as a potential anti-cancer drug.

I would question your doctor on this one.

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So, he must be right because he's a doctor?

Well normally I dont like doctors.. And no I dont take all their advice..
But sounded logical enough.. I mean spicy food always kicked my ulcer into overdrive..
Like I can do hot sauce on wings, but thats about it..
Im talking like Indian food.. Or cajin.. that stuff is the DEVIL!!! hehe

And plus that stuff is mostly only found in chili peppers...
I can eat chilli.. The doc did say thats okay.. Just not to eat it everyday!!


And yes I agree.. You should always question your doctor... Heck.. most the guys I see got their degree from a crackerJack box...
I belive ya!!!

[edit on 19-9-2007 by zysin5]

Our food isn't what it used to be.

Today it is laced with artificial sweetners, preservatives, colours and horrible transfats. Our fruit and veg are covered in insecticides and pesticides; and our meat with hormones. The water we drink has cholrine added and for some flouride. Plus many other unnatural things.

We are also surrounding ourselves with chemicals which range from cleaning, to cooking, to our soft furnishings and of course there is an awful lot of plastic. I am not surprised that more and more people have allergies and intolerances when their bodies have to put up with this constant bombardment.

I myself am allergic to apples which now includes cherries, nectarines, and pears. My lips and throat swell. Now it is not an extreme allergy, but I have had a test in hospital to check for a range. I am also allergic to nickle, feathers, pollen and cats and dogs. I am also allergic to the fleas which bite cats and dogs. It is definately not in my mind and I am not trying to be trendy.

I have a friend who refuses to eat High Fructose Corn Syrup which is a real challenge because its in like EVERYTHING!

But after listening to their conspiracy rants about the ingredient found in just about anything you buy, I can agree that it isn't good. To sum it up its basically a cheap substitute for sugar and it has links to diabetes. But I wont fight it because.. well I like mountain dew.

Thankfully have no intolerance to anything. I could eat the azz end out of a rag doll and be fine . I do understand where you are coming from though. These trendy diets and men like kevin Trudeau put a lot of these "intolerances" in the minds of the gullible and weak.

I'm vegitable and fruit intolerant...

hey, my friend almost died because he ate a peanut. another friend of mine pukes when he drinks cow milk because his stomach becomes too acidic. if you knew what was in your food, what was REALLY in your food, you wouldn't have made this thread.
Just the opinion of a certified personal trainer.

here's an interesting story.

when my niece was 1 yr old, she wasn't gaining weight, losing color, crying a lot, and bringing up food. so my sister took her to a doctor in Boston, who pointer her to a food specialist what they found was that she has celiac disease.

Now celiac disease is NOT curable, its an intolerance to wheat and gluten. i have talked to alot of people about it and no one really knows anything about it.

So when this happened the specialist said it would probably be a good idea for people in the immediate family to take a test. Now im located in WI and when i went to the doctor to get a test done, the lady at the front desk asked me "when do you think you were exposed" so i said "umm its not contagious". The i argued with the doctor long to have him give me the test, in the end i won and got the test, later to find out he gave me the wrong test.

Now the reason that doctor know nothing about this is that there is no cure, and there is no "pills" to help relieve the affects. One of my fathers friends just has been diagnosed with Celiac, but for most of his life he has been diagnosed with acid reflux, so now along with the Celiac he has osteoporosis (yes...guys can get it).

Celiac disease is very serious, in your intestines you have little hairs that stand up and gather nutrients then send it out to the body. what celiac does is when wheat or gluten it put into the system those hairs lay down so no nutrients are gathered or collected, so your body doesnt get the food it needs.

Now if this doesn't get taken care of later in life will cause cancer or osteoporosis. There was something i read a while back where 30% of people that have acid reflux actually have Celiac. Also 1 in 133 americans have Celiac.

This is a strict diet that has to be followed, no wheat, anything that contains gluten, or anything that has been cooked or prepared with food that contains those items. This site below is a very helpful resource.

Celiac disease is one of the most common chronic health disorders in western countries. It is also one of the most under-diagnosed. Up until ten years ago, medical schools taught that celiac disease was relatively rare and only affected about 1 in 2,500 people. It was also thought to be a disease that primarily affected children and young people. Recent studies and advances in diagnosis show that at least 3 million Americans, or about 1 in 133 people have celiac disease, but only 1-in-4,700 is ever diagnosed.

celiac

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Over 90% of the foods you purchase at a grocery store are full of chemicals. That's why people develop "intolerances" to food. The food industry is constantly increasing the amount of chemicals in the food... therefore the food intolerances are increasing.

Switch to organic food. This is a no-brainer.

I refuse to eat anything that has been pickled. The smell and or taste is too much. I'm not imagining it, I really hate pickles. They taste bad and make me feel ill.

I think food allergies are real, and I don't know of any that I have. I know a kid that is so allergic to peanuts that if he comes in contact with any part of a peanut, he goes into anaphylactic shock and nearly dies. He is like 3 so I don't think it's his imagination.

Originally posted by zysin5

Originally posted by Astyanax

Some can't stomach milk because of their 'lactose intolerance'.

Others claim they can't eat wheat products, or drink coffee, or consume foods containing this or that evil ingredient.

Have these 'intolerances' been diagnosed by a doctor? Of course not.

Boy I sure wish this was just the truth.. Id love to be able to drink coffe like the rest of you.. But I cant!!! Not becasue its just in my head...

I dont understand posts like this??? Your saying that its all in my head when I drink coffee and have bad stomach reactions? That its all in my head???

Sure I understand some things are made in the mind. But some people really are intolerant to some food...
For one I cant eat spicy food.. Ulcer.. And a doctor told me not to eat spicy food, Are you trying to tell me its all in my head???

I can't take any caffeine either, although I used to be able to. I am also lactose intolerant. My food enzyme production has been declining over the years as far as I can tell. I also have been diagnosed with various food allergies by a doctor using skin tests and blood antigen tests, though some doctors don't accept these techniques. Just to survive I have to take food enzymes every day and they make a huge difference. I suspect that these intolerances are induced by declining food quality, vaccines (which mess up the immune system) and environmental toxins. They are very real I'm afraid.

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thanks for the open reply guys, and in a sense you are right..
regular full cream milk is what has caused my weight gain over the past few years, i do know that but i just cant go without a good chug from an icey cold jug of milk

will probably have to give it up soon though coz if i continue on this path i'll be as big as a bovine myself in a few yrs (said while a big jug o milk sits next to me)

even as a kid we had fresh (hand milked) cows milk in the fridge by the bucket. dip your cup in a regular ol bucket o milk and drink away..

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i do agree for some people its in their head, but for others its genuine. i think it depends on the person + the food being eaten.
also their upbringing.. a fussy eater parent snobbing their nose at food can rub off on their child.

my wife is probably the fussiest eater ive ever known, no culinary taste or adventure at all.

not trying to be insulting to her but its the truth. as a kid she ate one bit of fish and didnt like it and downright refuses to try anything at all that comes from the sea.

once she had marinated steak. enjoyed it so much i asked my mum for her marinade recipe.. guess what - oyster sauce was one of several ingredients.
my wife really didnt like finding out, but yet she loved it and ever since its the only marinade she insists on.

many years ago her nephew stayed with us. "oh he wont eat potato's" she said.. but that morning we had hash browns and he loved them until his mum said to him "but theyre made of potato and you dont like that"... ever since then he said he ate them but didnt enjoy them at all.
(proof fussy parents attitudes can rub off on their children)

this is proof some people are so incredibly fussy at the thought of something which they would actually otherwise enjoy if they kept an open mind to food.

myself, im the opposite. im very adventurous with foods but theres still things that'd make me technicolor yawn, like how in asia they eat monkey brains and other parts from regular farm animals i'd consider offal - yet to them its a delicacy.

so we have various factors

• fussy parents attitudes rubbing off on their children
  
• bad previous experience with food of similar/same type
  
• pregnancy (hormonal??)
  
• stigma attached to certain foods (eg liver, heart, brains, offal etc)
  
• genuine intolerance (peanuts, lactose, gluton etc)
  

This post is ridiculous and the article it is linked to is just as bad. Food Alergies are very real and if you doubt it I suggest you ask people who suffer from them how real they are ( I suggest you wait till the migrane passes). All they say is less than a quarter have had these symptoms formally diagnosed. Hey I eat bread I get a real bad head ache... note to self. Don't eat bread! Hey I touch a hot stove I burn my hand note to self..... Not everything has to be formally diagnosed to actually exist. I drink milk. I get real sick.... Do I need to see a doctor for this to actually exist. I think that maybe healthcare should be improved if they are truly concerned about diagosing people. I guess you have to be able to afford to go to get a diagnosis.

Klever? Really?

Originally posted by kleverone
This post is ridiculous and the article it is linked to is just as bad.

You know, a hypochondriac with an imaginary 'food allergy' would probably say just the same.

Food Alergies are very real

See my third post on the thread.

All they say is less than a quarter have had these symptoms formally diagnosed.

Oh, well spotted! That is indeed what the article says.

Hey I eat bread I get a real bad head ache... note to self. Don't eat bread! Hey I touch a hot stove I burn my hand note to self..... Not everything has to be formally diagnosed to actually exist.

Was bread all you ate, the same way that the stove was all you touched? Had you been drinking? Peering closely at fine print? Suffering from blocked sinuses or an inner-ear infection? Developing an aversion to sex with your partner of former choice?

I'm sure you're klever enough to catch my drift here...

I drink milk. I get real sick. Do I need to see a doctor...

Probably. You certanly would need to see a doctor to find out whether the cause of your 'real sick' was lactose intolerance or bacteria in the milk. Or whether your babysitter was trying to poison you.

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I undrestand that there are hyopchodriacs, my point is, the article references zero studies, it uses a buch of words like, "could be" or "possibly". It doesn't really maintain any position other than, "Some people might have allergies and some may not." Ok I got that, now if the article is going to imply that 3/4 of the people who claim to have allergies don't, then I have a problem with it. Which is what this article is doing. Its not just saying that "Hey, less that a quarter of the people who claim to have allergies have actuall been diagnosed, its saying, Hey we think this people could be faking cause they haven't been diagnosed?"

And on a side note, if I got sick from milk once, I woundn't go to the doctor, If it happened more than once, then I might go, but why? I realize milk makes me sick, I realize its not an isolated incident, why waste money to tell me what I already know? What did we do before doctors?

Originally posted by HooHaa
I could eat the azz end out of a rag doll and be fine

I normally don't go in for crude humor but that was funny, I don't care who you are.

The mind is very powerful people and I don't believe that you need to be a hypochondriac to talk yourself into something. There are so many things that can trigger reaction such as a subconscious memory of a smell or a traumatic incident, etc..

I would venture to say that at least 20% of food allergies are either driven by the brain or not related to the food in question at all. Hey, that still gives an Okie Dokie to 80%, so what's everyone complaining about?

I still maintain that spicy food does not cause further problems in sensitive stomachs. IMO, that would be the biggest culprit in the mind over matter issue because of the strong misguided association.

Now, I have a problem when I eat salad greens and I've actually tried to send my diagnosis in many different directions because I like salad greens but like clockwork the day after I eat them I get cramps and upset in my gastros. The kicker is that I already knew of my mothers problem with salad greens but I denied it of myself until it kept happening every time. At that point I could be quite sure that it was actually a problem. The point is that I didn't accept it just because of this or that and I exhausted every angle before finally giving in.

I do have a very sensitive stomach but funny how spicy food doesn't bother me in the least....I wonder why?

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So it is the inconvience of hearing about the 'mystereous ailments' of the digestive tract that bothers you the most? Or is it being in the company of other people?

All I was saying was that you sound like a buffoon complaining about what other people choose to eat. Apparently you cannot see it, and so we can agree to disagree.

Perhaps you should consider the wisdom in eating fresh, nutritious foods, and avoiding foods that are processed with preservatives. That you could respect the choices of others like you would like to be respected.

Consider that certain foods are now eaten in parts of the world where they have never been eaten before. Many people are unaware that foods that they consider 'local' are in fact from the other side of the world (Tomatos, Potatos, and Corn are prime examples). So someone who has genetic ancestry from an area where wheat was not cultivated or cows were not the source of dairy have great reason to complain if their digestive tract is not up to the task. And now we have populations with such mixed genetics that certain recessive traits can still come out.

Lucky for you, you apparently have a digestive tract that can handle what ever you choose to throw at it. I am not a medical doctor by any means, but I am of the opinion that you might need a little more fiber in your diet. Your overall tone and demeanor towards the opinions and choices of others could make some think that you are constipated.

DocMoreau

Also, here is an article discussing a possible upcoming British Ban on Food Additives:

Academics urge food agency to act tougher on additives

The government's Food Standards Agency today comes under fresh attack from two leading academics who have joined forces to urge the watchdog to act "more firmly and responsibly" on behalf of consumers over the dangers of chemical food additives

There is a very distinct difference between a food allergen and a food intolerance, both being quite real and valid though. When someone has an allergic reaction to a certain stimuli they are having an immunological response to something contained in the product (usually protein), which stimulates another response from Immunoglobulin E Antibodies. These antibodies bind to receptors on the surface of Mastocytes in digestive tract so that when specific proteins contained in the allergen come in contact with them they immediately upset homeostasis and create an edemic reaction. In other words, allergic reactions are something that can quantifiably measured and tested due to the immunological response and release of Histamine, Leukotriene, and Interleukin in lieu of the allergen. Symptoms of food allergies are very poignant reactions that can result in severe disability and even death.

In contrast to an allergic reaction some people can also display a food intolerance, which can have a wider array of chemical sensitivity than the aforementioned. Although I do agree that some people tend to diagnose themselves based on their consumption of certain foods, intolerance can stem from a number of different problems and rarely involves an immunological response. Take Milk intolerance for instance (as it is generally one of the more common); it is caused by the lack of sufficient Lactase enzymes that normally coat the small intestine and are responsible for the hydrolysis of Lactose found in milk. The symptoms of an intolerance such as this are generally less harsh than a food allergy, so rather than seeing a medical professional, some people just tend to avoid certain foods that cause the initial reaction. Enzymes (a protein themselves) that react to food are triggered by the same proteins as an allergen, but they do not catalyze the chemical reactions which stimulates the digestive process normally. In comparison, because their is no immune system response as there is with an allergy the body is slower to react, which makes it a little more difficult to diagnose.

Allergies and Intolerances are 100% real and verifiable reactions to stimuli. The main elucidation in understanding their differences comes in the way the stimulus reacts in the body...is it an immune response or a distinct lack of certain enzymes.

It's not people with real food allergies, or intolerances that I criticize. I worked in the medical field long enough to know this are real and severe problems, and feel for -anyone- with these true medical conditions.
What I have a problem with is the trend that it has become in some circles. I can give a very real example of this also. (This is one example for one person, but I have seen this happen several times with different variations on the main theme)
My niece got ahold of some bad milk when she was about 3 and a half. You know? Milk just starting to go over or spoil. She was violently ill, throwing up...etc. Her Mother, my sister-in-law, decided from this one event that she was allergic to milk. It gave her something to raise a fuss about and get that "Oh my! That must be so hard for -you-, having to watch what she eats and drinks." reaction. She made a big deal insisting we not give my niece milk, cheese, yogurt..wrote 'informative' letters for everyone in the family about my niece's needs. Later that year my niece went to preschool... Lo and behold Sister-in-Law/drama queen -forgot- to tell the school about this 'allergy'. About 3 months into the school year, SIL went to sit in school and the kids had snack time. My niece sat happily drinking milk. She had been drinking milk every single day with no problem whatsoever. Did this convince my SIL that perhaps, just perhaps, her daughter didn't have a problem? Noooo.... She launched a crusade to show the school just how bad milk allergies were and how much of a super mom she was for 'catching' this allergy in her daughter. The school had no choice but to refuse my niece milk from that point on. This was all within a period of about 6-8 months. By the time my niece was 5 she was convinced by her Mom's antics that she was, indeed, allergic.
But my SIL had a great time living that 'drama', showing how she 'cared' soo much for her daughter she would 'battle' the school.., joining parent groups for children with severe health problems, etc...(I can't imagine what those parents with kids who really had problems thought of her..).
It was quite the 'thing' for your child to have a special need by the time my SIL was in full gear about this. This last couple years, I have noticed a 'new' thing. Now some parents of children as young as five (with their baby teeth still) have braces on their kids teeth. It probably started somewhere with some child that needed it and has been morphed into a 'thing'.
It's almost like, for some..its 'anything to be part of a group, any group'. That was definitely the case for my SIL. Drama rules her life, this was just another example. From what I see now that my son is in public school (I used to HomeSchool him.) there are many parents like that. I -never- assume someone is making it up, ever. But there are times one wonders..

These are just my opinions and real life experiences. I don't have any facts, nor would I assume anyone was faking anything. As I said, I know food allergies and intolerances are real and do happen. I also know they are something which can be used or exaggerated. (just like sooo many other things out there.)
~anahna

p.s. The end result of the situation with my niece is that: by the time she was 8 she realized she wasn't allergic, and since she loves milk, she started using her allowance money whenever she could get away with it to buy milk for herself. LoL...smart little girl!

Saying they are intolerant of the food, makes it easier on them, as they feel someone won't force them to try something new or different. It's just simply they don't like the taste, texture, etc. Yup, it's in the mind, unless it's a proven food allergy.