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Originally posted by Annee
Was Joseph Smith a Mason?
I must confess though - - - that like every church - - - I have been to many different Mormon wards. Groups of people differ no matter what the religion.
I have been to Catholic churches that are warm - friendly and inviting. I've been to Catholic churches that had an arrogant air - were cold and unfriendly.
Its more human nature - - then it is any religious belief.
Originally posted by Appak
Originally posted by Annee
Was Joseph Smith a Mason?
At one time Joseph Smith was indeed a Freemason. As was his brother Hiram and Brigham Young.
Interesting read here:
www.masonicinfo.com...
I must confess though - - - that like every church - - - I have been to many different Mormon wards. Groups of people differ no matter what the religion.
I have been to Catholic churches that are warm - friendly and inviting. I've been to Catholic churches that had an arrogant air - were cold and unfriendly.
Its more human nature - - then it is any religious belief.
I think that's true of ANY organization of people...not just churches. I've visited Masonic Lodges and Lions Clubs that were the same way...just depends on the people who comprise them.
Originally posted by tgidkp
Originally posted by scientist
Originally posted by tgidkp
it is NOT merely mumbo-jumbo rhetoric. it is also well beyond the scope of freemasonry.
could you elaborate on that? particularly the "scope?"
the mormon temple endowment and the teachings of freemasonry are identical in many important ways. it is true that Joseph Smith participated in freemasonry, way back in the day.
WARNING: opinion follows...
by 'scope', i refer to the concept that freemasonry, as it exists today, is a doctrine of mind-control and enslavement which stems from the darkest corners of history. in contrast, the intent of the endowment is freedom of the mind from the tyranny of men.
but both of them are depictions of the structure of the human soul (and thus universe). freemasonry teaches the ancient method of building the temple of god. mormonism teaches that "YOU are the temple of god."
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i am going to bed now...
dkp
www.al-ahari.com...
Most writers of the past have attempted to analyze the nativistic American Islamic Nationalist Movement separate from the African American Religious Community or from the larger American Religious Community. This is a grave error which I have tried to correct. Brother Adib Rashad gave me the impetus to carry out this difficult demanding research.
He himself has found parallels with Father Hurley, Father Divine, Jehovah's Witnesses, Elijah Muhammad, and Marcus Garvey. Connections with Masons, Shriners, Christian Science, Mormonism and Eastern Muslim groups can also be made.
Originally posted by brotherforchrist
I would say that Freemasonry to me is about perfection of the soul....I think a lot of people have a hard time accepting that masonry allows and encourages others to think for themlselves
Originally posted by tgidkp
Originally posted by brotherforchrist
I would say that Freemasonry to me is about perfection of the soul....I think a lot of people have a hard time accepting that masonry allows and encourages others to think for themlselves
...as pointed out in the previous reply, the mormon and freemason rites are directly related to the priesthoods of ancient times. on the surface, they both appear to be relatively innocuous. otherwise, how could they expect to prosper?
if you take the time and effort, and open yourself to inspiration, you will probably find that they contain the details of "whats really going on".
the reason that certain people in this world have attained such high degrees of power, wealth, and control, is that THEY know something that you DONT...and they are trying to keep you from discovering that knowledge. where does this information come from? it is coded within the ancient mythologies. both freemasonry and the endowment are adaptations of that ancient mythology.
something tells me that everyone here at abovetopsecret knows something of these mysteries. perhaps not on a conscious level...but these things are built-in to the soul, and we live in a time of the awakening of the soul.
and to annee, re: hiding in plain sight. the rituals and symbols are all here, layed out before you. it doesnt get any plainer. you seem to be contradicting yourself by downplaying their significance.
Originally posted by tgidkp
by 'scope', i refer to the concept that freemasonry, as it exists today, is a doctrine of mind-control and enslavement which stems from the darkest corners of history. in contrast, the intent of the endowment is freedom of the mind from the tyranny of men.
Originally posted by Annee
The Mormon's did not get their endowment ceremony from the Masons. They got it from the same place the Mason's got theres.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Annee
The Mormon's did not get their endowment ceremony from the Masons. They got it from the same place the Mason's got theres.
I have to disagree. It is telling that Joseph Smith wrote the Endowment only a couple of months after he himself was initiated into Masonry. The Masonic influence on the Endowment is extremely obvious.
The Masonic ritual, unlike the Mormon counterpart, does not claim to be of divine origins. The modern Masonic ritual was invented in England during the Enlightenment.
Originally posted by Annee
Some of Joseph Smith's original translations are amazingly metaphysical leaning - - and really unusual for the time. Which IMO - gives more support to him being "contacted".
Originally posted by Annee
The Mormon's did not get their endowment ceremony from the Masons. They got it from the same place the Mason's got theres.
I think you need to have some deep discussions with your Mormon friends to clear up a few things.
Originally posted by The Axeman
Originally posted by Annee
The Mormon's did not get their endowment ceremony from the Masons. They got it from the same place the Mason's got theres.
I think you need to have some deep discussions with your Mormon friends to clear up a few things.
All due respect, but I think you should be careful what you assume is unclear to others.
Am I a Mormon? No. Do I need to be a Mormon in order to know something about Mormonism? Again, no.
Give this a read and let me know what you think... It's long, I warn you.
"Similarity of Priesthood in Masonry": The Connection Between Freemasonry and Mormonism
[edit on 6/4/07 by The Axeman]