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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Wait a second. What does the critisism of US policy have to do with the opportunities available to people if they come to the USA?
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
People will still come here regardless of how they feel about the Administration or policies.
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
If the poll of 28,000 doesn't represent how people feel then why do thousands of people in other countries go to our embassies and protest?
Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Why do people outside of this country even here on ATS have such a bad view of us. Have you looked around on the internet? Just look at comments on various forums, videos and other places where people are saying stuff about America, Iran, and Israel. I didn't need a poll to tell me these things.
Originally posted by ThePieMaNAs far as these terrorists and suicide bombers go,well, they weren't there before we made our "mistake"
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Iraq: Since Iraq did not exist as a state until 1932 I can only refer to Iraq's involvement in wars since 1932. Iraq started as a series of dictatorships resulting from coups ubtil the Baathists took over in 1968. Iraq send troops to fight Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973 even though Israel was not a threat to them. In 1979 Sadaam Hussein cam into power and killed off all his political rivals and then in 1980-1988 war at war with Iran. Two years later (1991) Iraq invaded Kuwait for NO apparent reason which resulted in the Gulf war. Iraq attacked Israel even though Israel was not involved in the hostilities.
Iraq supported, financially and logisMtically, terrorist organizations against Israel and openly admitted it while his own people were starving.
So basically Iraq was in a perpetual offensive war against just about everyone right up to 2003.
Iran:
I can only refer to the current regime (the Islamic regime). The Islamic revolution occurred in 1979, - 52 American embassy employees were held hostages for 444 days against international law. 4 million refugees escaped the islamic regime out of fear. 1980-1988 Iran was at war with Iraq. All the while Iran supported any Islamic group who attacked Israel even though Israel was never at war with Iran.
After Khomeini's death Iran seemed to ease off its extremism (although always retained it war stance against Israel - who was never at war with Iran).
Iran supported Islamic fighters wherever they existed (Afghanistan against the Soviets, Lebanon against Israel, France and the US, Sudan and now financing Syria's army.
Secrets of History: The CIA in Iran
The Central Intelligence Agency's secret history of its covert operation to overthrow Iran's government in 1953 offers an inside look at how the agency stumbled into success, despite a series of mishaps that derailed its original plans. Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.
The document shows that:
• Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
• The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
• Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.
• The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded.
Afghanistan:
A land full of warring tribes has been at war with each other for ages. 1933-1973 were actually the quietest times of Afghan history. After which again sectarian violence returned followed by the soviet invasion in the late 70s and more infighting after soviet withdraw following by the Taliban's brutally repressive regime.
JUST CAUSE YOU DON"T SEE IT IN THE NEWS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THESE COUNTRIES ARE PEACEFUL.
What you say here shows how little you know about Israel and the US. Had Israel OWNed Washington Jonathan Pollard would have been in Israel already, Israel would not have had to withdraw from any territory, Israel would not have sat quietly in the Gulf war (1991). Would not have to continue with the pretend world of 'dialog' with the Palestinians who, currently, have no true intention for peace with Israel.
You just showed me how much you DON'T know. All NEWs agencies are slanted toward their own political agendas. The US and Europe have their own political tendencies and they are all biased towards one of the sides. That is the nature of the game. Maybe your NEWS sources are slanted toward one side rather than the other. Ever stopped to consider it????
The Illusion of Balance
During the six-month period studied, NPR reported the deaths of 62 Israelis and 51 Palestinians. While on the surface that may not appear to be hugely lopsided, during the same time period 77 Israelis and 148 Palestinians were killed in the conflict. That means there was an 81 percent likelihood that an Israeli death would be reported on NPR, but only a 34 percent likelihood that a Palestinian death would be.
Of the 30 Palestinian civilians under the age of 18 that were killed, six were reported on NPR--only 20 percent. By contrast, the network reported on 17 of the 19 Israeli minors who were killed, or 89 percent. While 61 percent of the young people killed in the region during the period studied were Palestinian, only 26 percent of those reported by NPR were. Apparently being a minor makes your death more newsworthy to NPR if you are Israeli, but less newsworthy if you are Palestinian.
Originally posted by Souljah
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Tells you everything - Aside from Australia, France, Germany, Portugal, Poland, Italy, England the US and maybe Hungary all the remaining nations are either backward or do not have access to free press. As a result, what the people say is basically useless.
Come on - Egypt? UAE? Nigeria? Lebanon? Indonesia? Brazil? Philippines? Turkey? Kenya? China?
What kind of poll is this.
What is the problem? Do those countries not deserve to have an opinion to be heard? After all they are a part of people living on this planet, and I wonder when it was the last time, that somebody asked Nigeria or Kenya what do they think about certain countries. BBC was just trying to pick a country from every continent to get a global picture - now if that is so hard to understand, maybe we should ask AIPAC what they think of Israel? And I think your opinion about those countries is very, very wrong - and also kind of racist. You think people of Nigeria do not know what is going on in the world?
What pisses me off is that the US saved Europe hide during WWII and provided a defensive umbrella from the Soviets afterwards and the gratitde of those people is nowhere in site.
And what pisses me off is that everybody thinks that US saved Europe, when in fact the only people who SAVED Europe, were the People of EUROPE; who actually did all the dying and the fighting. The second one, who can take credit for saving Europe is the Red Army, who started pushing back Z'Gehmanz and would sooner or later reach Berlin with or without Invasion of Normandy. My graditude is to the Yugoslav Partisans, who fought the German occupation from DAY ONE and were ready to give their lives for Freedom in my Country. And there were people like that All over Europe and THEY deserve ALL THE CREDIT!
Granted the situation in Iraq is grim. It is not the USs fault though. It is Muslims killing Muslims (Baathists, Sunni extremists, Shiite extremists and various local governments (Iran and Syria) pulling the strings to topple the Iraqi government and build an Iraq that suites their purposes).
No? It is not? Tell me, did Iraq ATTACK United States? Did Iraq demolish WTC on 9/11? Did Iraq attack Pentagon? Did Iraq demolish WTC in Oklahoma? Did Iraq attack Pearl Harbour maybe? Did Iraq have Weapons of Mass Destruction? Did Saddam has connections with Al-CIA-duh? What exactly was the real reason to go to Iraq? And Afganistan?
I say, give the US slack to handle the situation. Let the Nigerians, the Brazilians, the Egyptians and the Lebanese bitch and complain as much as they want.
Yeah - let them bitch and complain; while Israel and United States along with coalition will do the Occupying of Middle East for the rest of us, ey? That sounds like a plan! After all, you must defend US at all cost - they are your close buddies and allies right? And they always help you to veto out all the 66 UN resolutions against Israel.
[edit on 7/3/07 by Souljah]
Originally posted by grover
Still Poll after poll has shown that the majority of the world loves America and Americans but it is the policies of our government which they hate.
Israel built itself by evicting (and still is) Palestinians from their homes and running rough shod over them and generally behaves like the self-righteous neighborhood bully. It is no mystery to me why they are not liked. The invasion of Lebanon last summer is a prime example. Sadly people like Judah, incapable of seeing the truth of the matter contribute to the problem by acting like their country can do no wrong.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
FACT: Iran is working on a military nuclear program. They are an extremist Shiite regime who have vocalized their ambitions to annhilate another country and support illegal organizations to provoke regional conflicts. Only the US has the BALLS to deal with Iran and nearly none other of those questioned in that poll.
The Palestinians had lived there for a thousand years why should they have submitted to a partition that they did not want?
AND it is a matter of historical record that the Israeli's were no innocents in the war of partition either, they attacked and terrorized both the British and the Palestinians, sacking villages and forcing people off their land, just like they are doing today with that wall.
The Palestinians both in Israel and the west bank and Gaza are out breeding the Jewish population and it is just a matter of time (if Israel really is a democracy) before the Israeli Palestinians outnumber the Jews in both population and representation in government. Then eventually the state will merge with the west bank, forming what should have been there all along, a joint Palestinian state with a mixed, Jewish, Christian and Muslim/Arab heritage.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
A- Afghanistan was a land of various warring tribes even before the US declared independance. My grandfather escaped from the what is now Uzbekistan through Afghanistan. He told me that he saw a gathering of people with children seated on their parents shoulders. There was a public execution were the 'highlight' was someone being put to death by being dunked in a boiling vat of tar. Real peaceful people.
B- Iran was far from a peace loving nation, they had their share of wars and aggressions against those who they termed 'outsiders' or non-Muslims. My ancestors lived in Mashad until one day Muslims decided to kill or convert all the jews (this occured in 1832) which forced them to move to Afghanistan and then Uzbekistan.
The US and the British were not the only parties involved in coop attempts in Iran or Iraq. The Germans (pre-WWII) and the Soviets were also heavily involved in these attempts for their own self interests. So don't try to lay the Blame on the US. Each one was out for themselves - this includes Iran.
C-Iraq: Granted Sadaam was supported by the US during the 80s. Iraq as a national was peaceful? Why would Iraq, miles away from Israel attack Israel in 3 different wars and support terrorist organizations dedicated to the destruction of Israel? Because they are peaceful right?
You tried to claim the the US is a warmongering nation while the Iraqis, Iranians and the Afghans were not. I painted a totally different story though. I showed you that the Afghans are a group of warring tribes, the Iranians and Iraqis although were never threatened by Israel supported a relentless campaign of violence against Israel and had a long history of violence.
I am not saying that everything Muslim is bad like you make out the US and Israel to be the epitome of all evil. All I am saying is that the US and Israel react to actions to suit their interest like all other nations. Fact is that the US and Israel have a higher civil liberty rating that Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. This generally means that it is a good thing that the US has the power it does. Because if Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan had the power the US has -- GOD HELP US ALL.
Norman Finkelstein & Former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami Debate
Today, relations between the Israeli government and Palestinian Authority are virtually nonexistent. Israel and the P.A. have not held final status peace talks in over five years. With the recent election of Hamas, Israel says it will cut off all ties to any Palestinian government that includes the group. After the election Israel withheld tax funds it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority. It finally transferred the funds but says any Hamas-led Palestinian government will get, quote, "not even one shekel." That's, well, a dime in the United States.
Meanwhile, the Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank continue to expand. The Israeli group Peace Now reported 12,000 new residents moved into West Bank settlements in 2005, 3,000 more than the total number removed as part of Israel's disengagement from the Gaza Strip, and construction continues in settlements located both inside and outside the route of Israel's separation barrier.
Originally posted by Muaddib
You and some others claim that an interview done to 28,000 people out of 4.2 + Billion tell us that most of the world hates the United States...
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Tell me Souljah,
when you say 1% are extremists, from what study did you pick-up that statistic? Is it based on something or just a hunch.
The numbers are actually much higher.
If your county's media totally controls the media and tells you that Jews make Pastries out of gentile children's blood and they have a university professor describing the process - source would you believe him? Would I have a choice?
Are you know willing to admit that amongst totalitarian/theocratic regimes such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran there is extremism?
Originally posted by kleverone
"I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon
Originally posted by grover
Jews, but the fact is the Zionists started moving back there and began (at first) buying land in the late 19th century, and at first both sides were okay with that until it became clear to the Palestinians that the Jews intended on carving a state out of the area.... an act by the way that was opposed by many Jewish religious leaders at the time... and the history of the area has gone down hill from there.