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Originally posted by warset
Alright, you won....
so what are you suggesting to do?
Trying to kill the mainstream Han chinese, burn down their shops, and retake tibet?
you know that's impossible right?
Or you rather talk things out and see if you find any solutions?
I know some tibetan are sad and acting actively about the free tibet issue, but you know it's not gonna happen, so why don't instead cooperate are see if it can be solved in other ways?
I see Dalai Lama has changed his agenda resently from having an independent tibet to a special administrative tibet (like the policy used in Hong Kong), that's a good sign of accepting reality.
I hope he can eventually work things out before he passes away.
ps. be optimistic about it!
being pessimistic won't solve anything, and only cause more sadness, am I right?
[edit on 10/30/2006 by warset]
Trying to kill the mainstream Han chinese, burn down their shops, and retake tibet?
you know that's impossible right?
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
First off, please point to where I am playing stupid. Second off, I never said all you "chicom lovers f*** off". I have never used that word in my life [chicom that is]. Perhaps you have me confused with Trickz. If anyone is dismissing people it would be you by calling us "Merrikans" who are ignorant. Or K4rupt saying we are all ignorant Westerners when we clearly seem to know more than you do (proved wrong by Himalayan).
Since this thread is about Chinese persecution of Tibet, I think you have made your point through argument and finally submission to Himalayan. Tata
Originally posted by k4rupt
Secondly, Himalayan has NOT proved ANY of us wrong.
Originally posted by warsetAlright, you won....
Unlike you, retinoid, I'm a bit more open-minded. I never stated that all of the PRC's actions against the Tibetans ARE great,
The reality of the situation is simple - Tibet is part of China and NOTHING anyone can do about it can change that.
All that you China-bashers and Freetibeters are doing is taking a step BACk for Tibet.
Don't be so hypocritical about China when your country has done the EXACT SAME #. Be open minded... (*hint hint, retinoid)
Himalayan, I thank you for being open minded and refraining frmo using B.S. to smudge China and it's people.
^^^^ Very racist indeed, lol I hope you choke on those slave labor chop sticks.
Originally posted by Nygdan
We are dealing with people who are not here to have a sensible discussion about the topic. Lets all get back on topic now.
Why, WHY are the chinese killing people trying to LEAVE???
Originally posted by Himalayan
hinder my peoples struggle for freedom. you are hoping the foreigners would stop supporting us by bringing up false information
- REBELLION! because we are oppresed under your Chinese govt rule
that is why USA does not treat minorities that way anymore
Originally posted by Himalayan
sbusive parents? serial killer ? crack addict?
- SO you just punish the whole population?
Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz
Why is it k4rupt, Warset, and Chinawhite all attack everything that exposes a part of their favorite government? Which is why I would not be suprised you would be connected to that government in some way.
Before the china re-took tibet, it was under a fedual system of government where there were masters and slaves, quite like the times of the serfs in Russia pre-1917. You make it out as though all tibetians are religious in nature, which is not true. They were bought up in a system like the middile ages worshipping a god of sorts. If chinese funding wasn't supporting tibet, it would end up disease infested and still developing the three pointed pitch fork
Jesus, all accounts from any tibetian should be taken like a pinch of salt. A supposedly "eye witness" from the tibetian camp claimed the soldiers fired at them for 15mins to make it sound like a masscare took place. We have a actual video which ONLY shows TWO shots being fired. How do you expect foreigners to believe in tibetian accounts
And if i went out in america and started signing praises for the governemnts distruction and shooting the police, i would also get thrown in jail. I think thats just what happened in Afganistan and Iraq.
that is why USA does not treat minorities that way anymore
Why dont they get off the land and give it back to the native americans?.
Holding a picture of the dalai lama is not a offence, holding a picture of the dalai lama and preaching about a rebellion in his name is.
Its got nothing to do with religion, tibet has its own dalai lama and it has tibetian churches, why dont the tibetians what to pray there?. I'll tell you why, they have their own intentions and they want to go back on the treaty they signed with china in 1950 which the DALAI LAMA SIGNED HIMSELF. I dont care what you make of this, all treaties are signed under pressure and this was no exception.
Tibet was never a free country or a independent country. It has always belonged to china and the western powers acknowledged that with the nuermous treaties signed in the 19-20th centruy
The Video on the BBC shows the PLA shooting at a long column of people. It shows he was firing one bullet at a time and at the lead of the group suggesting he was trying to stop them leaving.
What it doesn't show is what happened before the shooting which chinese soldiers have claimed they were attacked. This could suggest a reason why the chinese soldiers would be shooting at them
Originally posted by HimalayanWhat is so wrong about calling other Tibetan "My People"You are bringing Moses in this and make mock me? actually, that is funniest comment i've ever heard.
You can't break down Tibet in 2 groups, master and slaves,
In 1953, the greater part of the rural population---some 700,000 of an estimated total population of 1,250,000---were serfs. Tied to the land, they were allotted only a small parcel to grow their own food. Serfs and other peasants generally went without schooling or medical care. They spent most of their time laboring for the monasteries and individual high-ranking lamas, or for a secular aristocracy that numbered not more than 200 families. In effect, they were owned by their masters who told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. A serf might easily be separated from his family should the owner send him to work in a distant location. Serfs could be sold by their masters, or subjected to torture and death.
Along with the upper clergy, secular leaders did well. A notable example was the commander-in-chief of the Tibetan army, who owned 4,000 square kilometers of land and 3,500 serfs. He also was a member of the Dalai Lama's lay Cabinet.
Shame on you, do you have shred of compassion?
How does that justify what China is doing? Did i ever said What America did was right?
To this i will call you a Liar.
The 17 point agreement is forced by CCP
China pays some Western Scholars and so called Tibtologist to write an extemely biased report on Tibet and Tibetans and give talk shows in other countries
by walking infront? btw it was a nun
By shooting at childrens, monks, and nun?
Originally posted by Himalayan
My people have been and still are fleeing because we are oppressed under Chinese rule and they are getting shot at and killed because China wants to keep a lid on the Tibet issue, they don't want the world to know what they have done and still are doing in Tibet.
Rebelliong 1959
This rebellion was lead by the highest order of the tibetian hierarchy, because tibet had a feudal type system in place, the majority of its population were serfs which were merely slave like people who had to do what the "lamas" of tibets 200 most powerful families had told them to do.
The chinese government had begun a campaign of land reforms in the 1950's and this was seen as a great danger to the power of the lamas which ran the country. As some people would know, the communist took land away from the rich and powerful people and divided it equally among the rest of the people. This was happening all over china at this period and was aimed againest the dreaded landlords in china with the lamas being its direct counterpart in tibet.
What the lamas didn't like was this fact and order their serfs to rebel in the name of a non-violent religion. In retrospect, china was trying to emulate communism in an country stuck in the middile ages with lords and slaves. The question asks, if the situation was so bad, why did a small portion of the tibetian population leave and the "700,000 of an estimated total population of 1,250,000---were serfs" stayed in china where they were freed of slavery?. If you missed my connection, it was the upper class lama familes which fled
You it make if sound as if your leading them somewhere, which you are not. Not all tibetians share you views about tibet and your making a sterotypical comment and generalising about things you have said.
It is not just Dalai lama's job, it is my job also & i'm going to keep saying "My People".
Notice i do not say, my chinese people think, i would say, i think the majority of chinese people think about it as. Unlike you, I am not overly nationalistic about any country and to refer to them as your people suggests you have got a big head about these matters
Unless you were the dalai lama, i would excuse you. But any other tibetian wouldn't excuse you for saying that you commanded them because your not a representative of any of them
Do you know what the feudal system is?.
Compassion?
I'm not going to believe reports from tibetian nationalist which have bone to pick with the tibetian government. The reports you have read are compl
Originally posted by warset
How, are you expecting Han chinese to respect tibetan if they always do things like boycotting Beijing Olympic? That will only harm the relationship, and bring more tragic.
and people are stupit some times... You should know that the success of Beijing Olympic will benefit china as a whole, including tibet. As the government and other bussiness firms get more money, more can be spent to help to develp the western side.
If the entire chinese society is poor, and no doubt tibetans are going to become the poorest among all, living standard will drop, and tibetans will suffer more. It will be a deadweigh lost to the entire society.
it's like saying if everybody is poor who's going to help tibet?
On the other hand, if the general living standard in china rises, than tibet will benefit too, it is benefit for the whole society.
See, you think you are helping tibet by struggling and protecting, but really you just making things worse, like I have suggested earlier.
ps. when americans call for a boycotting, I can understand that the american government is trying to contain china, so that it can maintain its possition. But for tibetans to do that, it's just stupid because that will only make tibet worse and create more hatred.
remeber now that tibet is just one part of china, any method used to contain china and prevent it from developing will directly affect the development of tibet in a harmful way. If the government has no money, and people are poor, no one is going to help tibet. Remember that.
How, are you expecting Han chinese to respect tibetan if they always do things like boycotting Beijing Olympic? That will only harm the relationship, and bring more tragic.