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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Zero carb diet?
Is there really ANY such thing?
Shortly before his death, I was made aware of Dr Atkins and his wonderful approach to healty way of eating, the LOW carb way.
Dr Atkins did NOT promote a zero carb diet :bnghd:
I lost a bit of weight and have managed to keep most of it off.
Anyone who thinks that way has been misinformed.
He realized the importance of healthy carbs in a human diet.
ok, individualist, is this some diet you adapted for yourself...or is there some real science behind it. If so, please proved links
Originally posted by djohnsto77
If I remember correctly, the diet I was on suggested 30 grams of carbs daily for the the first couple of weeks then 60 grams thereafter.
[edit on 10/8/2006 by djohnsto77]
Originally posted by asala
Im trying this low carb diet as i tend to feel vey bloated so been told this is grat for it,
only thing is for me is getting used to replacing things lol,
I eat alot of bread so getting my self off it is hard,
Trying using egg instead of bread with my bacon,
Originally posted by Ghost01
The trick is balance, accoding the latest info that I'm hearing.
Originally posted by Shoktek
It's funny you (original poster) believe that all carbs are "toxic", and yet most animals live off of mostly carbs,
That's because most animals are herbivorous, it's called the food chain, it looks like this
C = carnivores------->C
H = herbivores----->HHHH
P = plants-------->PPPPPPPP
That's why most animals eat plants. What you said was misleading
and most doctors, nutritionists, sports trainers, militaries still advocate a diet of mostly carbs, then fat and protein.
Sigh...when will people start to understand that "authority figures" are far from infallible?
Not to mention that vegetables, fruits, legumes, have high concentrations of vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants, good unsaturated fats...most of which are not going to be found in meat and eggs.
What meagre nutrition present in plant foods is interfered from absorption by the antinutrient factors that we have never evolved to metabolize. Antioxidants are abundant in meat and eggs- selenium, amino acids, zeaxanthin, to name a few. And plus, if you're that worried about antioxidants, just eat liver and heart (both rich in vitamin C). Also, excess oxidation is largely produced by toxic amounts of PUFAs that are present in your standard diet with vegetable oils, not to mention the process of carbohydrate metabolism when doing exercise, unlike fats, which are clean-burning fuels for the human body.
I don't know where you are going to be getting your vitamins from, and another very important dietary ingredient, fiber. Eating all meat and not getting any fiber from carbs will destroy your body's digestive system, and could mean serious problems in the long term such as colon cancer.
Meat is the richest source of vitamins on this planet, what the hell are you talking about. Fiber is unnecessary and actually harmful in the long run (see link I posted previously).
There's a reason that the human body is designed the way it is...just like lions and tigers are adapted for eating only meat, we are not, our bodies are designed for processing all foods, but not primarily meat.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever to back up this statement?
You better be aware of all the real "toxins" you are consuming when you eat all of your meat. Animal steroids, growth hormones, parasites, pesticides, herbicides, and other dangerous little organisms that can mess you up if you don't cook it pretty well...the reason there is so much fat on that nice piece of steak is that fat accumulates as a natural defense from all of the toxins in the animal body that I just listed...and it all gets stored in that fat. When you eat it, you eat the toxins. Any "toxins" that you think accumulate in plants are much worse in animals, because it all accumulates in their fat, in higher quantities.
I am well aware of this- the human body developed a liver and other detox organs for a reason. The problem with plant toxins is they interfere with nutrient absorption, unlike animal toxins. Also, their fat isn't that loaded with crap, because guess what: they have livers and detox pathways, too.
Oh yea, and cows get nice and big and meaty just from eating grass ( a carb), but nice and fat when they are injected with growth hormones and steroids at the farm...also, in the past when people ate meat, it consisted of almost all protein and very little fat, like it does today.
True, but again, misleading. Wild animals do have less fat, more protein, in the same cut of meat compared to a commercially raised animal. HOWEVER, our ancestors supplemented this lean muscle tissue with bone marrow, brains, and structural fats (kidney suet), all rich sources of fatty acids, which will be there no matter how "lean" the animal is. Unless, of course, it is emaciated, but I doubt our ancestors evovled off of emaciated deer, because, like you said, they get meaty and healthy off of grass.
You can bet that "throughout evolution", people would have died off if they were only eating animals.
Totally false- any plant foods were only eaten seasonally, and in small quantities; meat was THE staple of paleolithic man. Seriously, do you think there were vegetable gardens and fruit orchards just waiting to be picked during our evolution? Haha what little digestibility plants have is from agricultural influence.
Or else they would have had to make some pretty serious adaptations, which don't exist in modern humans...hence why we are not natural carnivores.
uhh...we ARE adapted to be carnivores, mine and many other's continuous health on this diet is proof that we are adapted towards carnivory
Better make sure you are buying organically raised/fed cattle, although that won't help your body out in the fiber or vitamin/mineral/antioxidant department. You might think you feel great after only 3 months, but if you keep this up for a good amount of time you could develop some serious problems.
hmmm...well, I still feel excellent after, how long now? Is it six months? Or Five? Anyways, any so-called "deficiencies" would have begun to manifest themselves at this point
Look at any other animal in the world that's an omnivore, and most people...they all sustain themselves on a diet of mostly vegetable matter, and some meat/fish.
Are we bears? No. Are we pigs? No. We are human beings. So why should we eat like these animals? Most people are living in devitalized health because of their dependence on plants for food, as evidenced by our unnaturally escalated levels of degenerative diseases.
In fact, the groups of people around the world who live the longest are those who eat mostly vegetarian diets, with seafood and no meat.
"With seafood" is NOT vegetarian. And does a longer life directly corellate with an increased QUALITY and HEALTH of life? No, of course not. Even if people are living into their hundreds, they are starving and deprived on such incomplete vegetarian diets.
[edit on 13-11-2006 by Shoktek]
Originally posted by Shoktek
The high saturated fat diet here in america has been shown to cause heart disease and plenty of other problems. And be certain that the toxins in meat are very real, and that fruit and vegetables do nothing but help your body. Remember the low/no carb diets were invented to help people lose weight (usually inactive people who never workout anyway), but they were never intended to bring about long term health. I'm not saying you should go and shovel down carbs (although lots of fruits and vegetables can't hurt you), but you need to have a balance.
[edit on 13-11-2006 by Shoktek]
Originally posted by the_individualist
That's because most animals are herbivorous, it's called the food chain, it looks like this
C = carnivores------->C
H = herbivores----->HHHH
P = plants-------->PPPPPPPP
That's why most animals eat plants. What you said was misleading
Sigh...when will people start to understand that "authority figures" are far from infallible?
What meagre nutrition present in plant foods is interfered from absorption by the antinutrient factors that we have never evolved to metabolize. Antioxidants are abundant in meat and eggs- selenium, amino acids, zeaxanthin, to name a few. And plus, if you're that worried about antioxidants, just eat liver and heart (both rich in vitamin C). Also, excess oxidation is largely produced by toxic amounts of PUFAs that are present in your standard diet with vegetable oils, not to mention the process of carbohydrate metabolism when doing exercise, unlike fats, which are clean-burning fuels for the human body.
Meat is the richest source of vitamins on this planet, what the hell are you talking about. Fiber is unnecessary and actually harmful in the long run (see link I posted previously).
Do you have any evidence whatsoever to back up this statement?
The problem with plant toxins is they interfere with nutrient absorption, unlike animal toxins. .
True, but again, misleading. Wild animals do have less fat, more protein, in the same cut of meat compared to a commercially raised animal. HOWEVER, our ancestors supplemented this lean muscle tissue with bone marrow, brains, and structural fats (kidney suet), all rich sources of fatty acids, which will be there no matter how "lean" the animal is. Unless, of course, it is emaciated, but I doubt our ancestors evovled off of emaciated deer, because, like you said, they get meaty and healthy off of grass.
Totally false- any plant foods were only eaten seasonally, and in small quantities; meat was THE staple of paleolithic man. Seriously, do you think there were vegetable gardens and fruit orchards just waiting to be picked during our evolution? Haha what little digestibility plants have is from agricultural influence.
uhh...we ARE adapted to be carnivores, mine and many other's continuous health on this diet is proof that we are adapted towards carnivory
hmmm...well, I still feel excellent after, how long now? Is it six months? Or Five? Anyways, any so-called "deficiencies" would have begun to manifest themselves at this point
Most people are living in devitalized health because of their dependence on plants for food, as evidenced by our unnaturally escalated levels of degenerative diseases.
"With seafood" is NOT vegetarian. And does a longer life directly corellate with an increased QUALITY and HEALTH of life? No, of course not. Even if people are living into their hundreds, they are starving and deprived on such incomplete vegetarian diets.
Originally posted by the_individualist
NO. Saturated fat intake is inversely correlated with disease- one goes down, the other goes up. Carbohydrate and vegetable oil intake, however, is directly corellated with disease- one goes up, so does the other. Saturated fat has never been concretely shown to cause disease of any kind, such studies are pseudo-science garbage with flawed methodology and variable control. They never control for carbohydrate consumption in the supposed "high-fat" data.
Fruits and vegetables can be described in two words: worthless, and harmful. Plants are only useful as medicines, NOT as a source of nourishment. That is what meat is for.