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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Black pyramids with white caps have never been Masonic symbols. They are not used as symbols in any ceremony in the fraternity. The Luxor pyramid in Vegas, or the the one in Paris, are not related to Freemasonry.
Originally posted by MissMarple
Okay, then let's look at the people who were responsible for building and constructing the Luxor pyramid in Las Vegas and the one in Paris...
Originally posted by MissMarple
Please be careful- I've written that freemasonry can be traced back to the pharaonian times.
Originally posted by MissMarple
Please be careful- I've written that freemasonry can be traced back to the pharaonian times.
Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, argue in their book The Hiram Key that Hiram Abiff was Theban pharaoh Tao II the Brave, with much speculation.
source:en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
BTW, it is the Hiram key that claims that Hiram was a pharaoh.
Originally posted by MissMarple
@Masonic Light:
Oh, well according to your logic the famous overdimensional arc of St. Louis/Missouri can't be a masonic symbol because it doesn't fit into a masonic lodge.
But it is a fact that the arc is a freemasonic symbol!!!
Originally posted by MissMarple
But it is a fact that the arc is a freemasonic symbol!!!
Okay, let's stop our dialogue here and sum up that you can't convince me and I can't convince you!
This is a politically correct result which offends nobody.
Originally posted by MissMarple
@Peyres:
Originally posted by Peyres
Its all very interesting, I'll admit that. History has taught us that aristocratic families do strive to keep the bloodline running, and some do beleive they are the rightful rulers (see one nation conservatism and toryism in the UK for example).
Yes, the "divine right to rule"...This reminds me of the Hollywood movie "The Da Vinci Code"- a Rosicrucian propaganda film made to persuade the average cinemagoer or movie audience that Saint Mary Magdalene and Jesus Christ had a child (daughter) and that from this divine offspring originated all the European royal dynasties. I think this story is nothing but a legend or myth. The plain truth is (in my mind's eye) that the kings and queens never had this dubious "divine aura". It was just attributed to them by the church in order to lift them off from the ordinary people and in order to justify their (unfair) privileges and (stolen) fortunes. Actually the early stone-aged ancestores of the kings and queens were much more ruthless, brutal, criminal and meaner than the rest of the population and thanks to this unbelievable cruelty they came to power. "Divine right to rule"? Nothing could be further from the truth.
But whether its actually a plot, or a devious strategy to railworld the world towards a NWO, is another matter. Even your average asian or jewish family in North-West london might try and choose suitable candidates for family marriges, they might not be particularly wealthy or influential, but there is a suitable amount of respect for honour, and a vital importance on keeping the family stable. Many religions teach their followers to marry fellow christians for example, this doesn't mean to OUTLAW it, but it to be a more suitable scenario, shared ideals, happier kids etc
Dear Peyres, you still seem to have doubts about the existence of the NWO. Did you know that there is a "NWO forum" held at St. George House/Windsor Castle? It's a residence of Queen Elizabeth II and the headquarter of the "Order of the Garter":
webpro.touchslough.com...
I can think of one family member on my dad side that was a freemason, however I think he was only a 3rd Degree, low ranking yada yada. There is great potential for futher members of the family greater down the line. Whilst Masonry is far more open now than it ever was, you would of been hard pressed to find peasants or the working class of today within high levels of masonary (you still need refrences today). Research of masonic lodge locations in England show them to be in well-to-do areas, the lodges are often elloborate and paid for by donations of the members.
You should keep in mind that the most important and influential lodge of England is:
www.ugle.org.uk..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow"> www.ugle.org.uk...
Their activities are worth to be scrutinized.
Many of the leaders who feel they have a right to rule, because of their family ties, will say so because they believe they have the experience and knowledge to do so (bush isnt that intelligent, lol) it is clear to see that aristocrats almost exclusively have high levels of educational acheivment...
They are terribly arrogant and believe in their superiority towards the average citizen. Actually they were simply fortuned of having been born with a golden spoon in their mouth.That's all!
[edit on 10-8-2006 by MissMarple]
Originally posted by Peyres
I don't believe that simply throwing money at a child will lead to them acheiving academically. There has to be a family atmposhere, and rules set in place, and kids that actually want to learn, and respect knowledge and educational attainment.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Who told you the St. Louis Arc was a Masonic symbol? I've never even heard anyone suggest that before!
No, the St. Louis Arc is not a Masonic symbol. I am curious, though, as to what references you're using, and where you're getting your information. Wherever it's from, I assure you they don't know squat about Masonic symbolism!
Originally posted by MissMarple
That some of them work pointedly or unconsciously for the NWO whereas others don't . And that , apart from the freemasons, there are many other secret society networks. To one of them belongs the actual president in office and his family& friends.
The author’s supposed links to masonry are weak and I’m not convinced the arch has anything to do with Masonic astrology.
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
I personally believe that Freemasonry is a great red herring. Conspiracy researchers looking into the NWO should study its earlier role in history, (spread of the British empire, the commonwealth) but I doubt that it is used today by the elite as a ruling apparatus.
They are definitely bad masons out there, the P2 lodge was real indeed. However, generally today the true evils are committed within the confine of corporate boardrooms, not Masonic Lodges.
Originally posted by MissMarple
I've found another interesting piece of information (source: see second link above):
The St. Louis Arch was a tough sell to Congress and was only approved after Harry Truman, a 33° FREEMASON…
George H.W. Bush is not now, nor has ever been, a Mason. That being the case, he probably doesn't know anything about Masonic symbolism.
Originally posted by MissMarple
Oh my god...the author quotes from Waite's New Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry. If this is a weak link- then WHAT must be a strong link!?
A large part of the elite that is to say the American military- industrial complex is made up by 33rd freemasons. Numerous members of the director's board or management board of businness companies/corporations, NGOs or governmental institutions are 33rd freemasons.
However Thomas Jefferson is usually credited with the English word 'catenary'
source: en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Is entirely wrong along with the rest of your drivel. Watch Dave Von Kliest's 9-11 film 'In Plane Sight'.
At the very end of the film Bush senior reaches over (with Laura inbetween) and grasps Bush W's hand and gives him what is clearly a Masonic handshake.