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You're deluding yourself if you think that. For someone who claims to do research it sounds like your simply parroting what George Bush and Faux News have said about the matter.
If you actually did some research you would know that the vast majority of scientists agree that global warming is real and that humans are causing it. The scientists that don't agree are usually the ones getting lots of money from oil and coal companies to do their research.
Originally posted by notbuynit
Oh geeze, some rich socialite gets outed on their status ties with the CIA. Whoop de doo! ....
...Hey, politics aside, even the hardest conservative wouldn't even think about defending the outing of a real spook. This story is so dead even the flies don't bother.
Wait, so are you saying that you feel it is ok to out a out a CIA agent?
Originally posted by zappafan1
Wait, so are you saying that you feel it is ok to out a out a CIA agent?
REPLY: Geez..... catch up!!! Mr. Fitz didn't/couldn't charge anyone with the "outing" because she wasn't covert, hence no outing was possible.
by niteboy: Please read the post again.
posted by Mr_Peel:
Only the brainwashed can excuse "outing" a CIA officer working on critical national security issues.
Not only did Novak out Plame, but also her cover company, Brewster Jennings. How many other CIA operatives used Brewster Jennings as cover? How many informants used doing business with Brewster Jennings as cover for their espionage efforts? Maybe none. Maybe many.
Wait, so are you saying that you feel it is ok to out a out a CIA agent?
No CIA agent should be outed, even if this wouldn't have happened, and another agent was just outed from nowhere.
Originally posted by notbuynit
I'd not only advertise the "identity" ( unless a real spook said I shouldn't) of a rich snob like Plame. I'd give her address but I wouldn't have to. She and her husband did that along time ago. Her type think it's cool to have the CIA monicker. It's status.
None was. What other spook was outed? Real spook? None. She's just another rich woman using her money for status and politics. She's a shame on all real moles. One might be being beheaded right now because our gov't is full of rich socialites like Plame. So yea, I'd out her in a heart beat. She's scum.
Oh geeze, some rich socialite gets outed on their status ties with the CIA. Whoop de doo!
by Nightboy:
We don't agree on this particular issue, but I value your debates anyhow. Now I will wait for the response that will be, "what is there to debate?!?"
I'm not even going to get in the debate with you of whether or not she was still secret, as I have a feeling that would be about as fruitful as this has been so far. Not very.
She was an agent as I said, I don't even see anyone else arguing whether or not she was an agent. Are you this rough on everyone that has ties to other rich socialites?
If so, I don't know exactly who all you would be defending now by choosing to only batter this woman's character into mush.
That is not the way to debate, the way to debate is with facts, opinions are worthless without anything to back up what you're saying.
I'll bow out of this thread until things cool down a little bit
Originally posted by notbuynit
Good decision on your part seeing how even her parking space had her name on it.
I'm a rebel and yes, they're rich. What? They can't afford a defence? They can handle it. Where's the problem?
Everyone needs a hobby. Oh and I'm sure I've destroyed the poor woman. Me versus the media. Who would win? They gave up because even they knew this was a loser.
I presented facts. Hence your running scared. You chose not to contest them. If you failed to read the whole thread, then go back and read the thread again and contend me on facts.
Sucks when facts don't support your emotions doesn't it?
Don't present me as someone who hates the rich, I just hate it when some rich abuse their money. It happens with Republicans and Democrats. Right now, the dem. controlled media isn't challenging her/them. So now I must. Crazy BILL OF RIGHTS.
I suppose I should be flattered that you took so much time to respond in so much detail while vaguely attempting some sort of attack. However I'm not. Running scared, I think not. I was bowing out because it seemed like tempers were beginning to flare. That is the reason I chose not to "contest" anything. Civility got me far in life, I like it.
You're response drips of sarcasm and ill will, so I hope you feel better.
[edit on 7/21/06 by niteboy82]
According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative and not in charge of undercover operators
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Walter Pincus, a Washington Post columnist, has written that he was told in confidence by an (unnamed) Bush administration official on 12 July 2003, two days before Novak's column appeared, that "the White House had not paid attention to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s CIA-sponsored February 2002 trip to Niger because it was set up as a boondoggle by his wife, an analyst with the agency working on weapons of mass destruction."[94] Because he did not believe it to be true, Pincus did not report the story.
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