Sex, a four lettered word.

I've been seeing more and more threads about the gov't attacking porn lately, here's 2:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm not talking about kiddie porn, just your run of the mill stuff you can get at the convenience store. Sure, there's a glut of it these days as the internet makes it a viable commodity, but what is wrong with it? I asked my wife and she had no problem with it either. So what's the frickin problem?

Next, prostitution. Carlin has said, "Selling's legal, sex is legal, why isn't selling sex legal"? (Cleaned up to ATS standards) This makes perfect sense to me. I have never paid for sex, unless you consider dinner, movie and dancing paying for it. However, I have no problem with someone that does. I asked my wife again, "What's wrong with prostitution"? She said, "As long as that's what they want to do and they aren't forced to be prostitutes, there's nothing wrong". I can infer from this that she doesn't have a problem with someone paying for sex, as long as it isn't me. Again

So for some reason, sex IS a four letter word and seems to have a need to be regulated. WHY?

I totally agree. It all comes down to morals. IMO when the lawmakers make laws, morals should not be an issue as long as the law or someone doing whetever is at hand does not effect others except those who want to be.....like sexing.

Prostitution is very common and for the most part accepted in society. It's just the US and other do-good countries that have the problem.

I believe making prostitution illegal has made the trade worse than if it were legal. If it were legal then worker rights would be applied and you wouldn't have the hoe slapping pimps of today. Many prostitutes are in a hard spot, like being introduced to crack and having to sell their bodies to get crack from their pimp.

Hmmm, in places where prostitution is legal it is controlled, taxed, and regulated. STDs aren't spread like a wildfire in California when rich people's homes aren't threatened, no pimps, no drugs.(Except legal ones like pot in Holland or wherever it is)

Places where sex is considered illegal/crime/evil prostitutes have STDs, pimps, and do drugs with out paying any taxes, and usually are on welfare.(Have to pay for drugs somehow)

So what is better?

You all would be surprised to know that many millions of $$ go to legal Dominatrix parlors.
At least this keeps them off the porn sited, as they cannot be whipped by a screen..

Prostitution is illegal because most of those who are in the business are exploited Women. Single mothers, drug addicts, immigrants etc.

Brothels are legal in some areas because the Police can check on the welfare of the employee's and ensure they are being paid/cared for.

Actually anything that the government make Illegal becomes more appealing to the public is nothing more exiting than to dare.

And for paying for sex, people lets be clear marriage is nothing more than legalized prostitution and is still not free.

Man has to pay with what he cherish the most his liberty and still supporting a women if she doesn't work outside the home is just like paying for favors.

But occurs in the instance of marriage women can hold back until the desire pay off is good enough.

EXACTLY NERDLING!!!!! The legal ones are controlled! That's the whole point!

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Marg, wicked sig, where/how did you find/get it?

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Yeah, you know what pisses me off too. Whenever I watch an episode of COPS (It's an American show) and like 10 cops go in to bust one lonely guy for trying to pick up a whore....WTF!!! The 10 cops would be doing more good if they were busting gang bangers and chesters...instead they spend an entire day at a truck stop and thousands of tax-dollars just to catch a few desperate dudes that would'nt harm a fly

[edit on 13/10/2005 by SportyMB]

I think it has something to do with people being against buy sexuality. But you're absolutely right. Prostitution has existed forever and will continue to exist. Much like drugs and gambling. The theory is that there are practices which by their very nature pose a detriment to society. Of course, no society has ever successfully eradicated these practices, and the very attempt at suppressing them takes its own toll.

Personally, I'm a Libertarian. I don't do drugs (does beer count?) and have never paid for sex. But what consenting adults choose to do that doesn't directly impact someone else is nobody else's business, in my opinion. It's all line drawing. We all draw lines and we all draw them in different places. I just don't happen to think we should have the government drawing any but the most essential lines for us.

Of course, there's no agreement about what those essential lines are. So there you go.

Right Sporty, not to mention that late night staple on Fox, Cheaters. They out people that are cheating. WHY? What perversion of entertainment is this? "Let's watch Cheaters, they get what they deserve". All in the name of morality, it's in their opening diatribe. That's another one I don't get. Person screws up, partner suffers, that's entertainment?

Originally posted by SportyMB
Yeah, you know what pisses me off too. Whenever I watch an episode of COPS (It's an American show) and like 10 cops go in to bust one lonely guy for trying to pick up a whore....WTF!!! The 10 cops would be doing more good if they were busting gang bangers and chesters...instead they spend an entire day at a truck stop and thousands of tax-dollars just to catch a few desperate dudes that would'nt harm a fly

[edit on 13/10/2005 by SportyMB]

This order comes directly from the Chief of any city.
They get hundreds of phone calls from irate home owners who are sick and tired of crack-ho's infecting their neighborhoods..

In Canada, prostitution is legal.

What is illegal is running a brothel, pimping and soliciting in public. That's why you always see the adverts in the paper saying:

Hot Blonde for fun! Call me at 555-123-4567! All major credit cards accepted.

Link from the nice Police Officers in Edmonton:

Being a prostitute: it is not illegal to be a prostitute if you are over 18.

Loitering: many business owners who own establishments where prostitutes congregate are frustrated with why the police cannot simply go and arrest someone who is standing on a corner and is obviously a prostitute. Loitering is not illegal. In the past, prostitutes could be arrested under vagrancy laws if they were standing for some time on a street corner. These laws were repealed some time ago. Police can only encourage prostitutes to move from a certain location. They cannot arrest them unless they are doing something illegal.

Supporting family members: prostitutes who use their wages to support their children are not committing an illegal act and the children cannot be charged with "living off the avails of prostitution."

Escort agencies: it is not illegal for an individual to work for an escort agency as long as they are licensed to do so by the city. Further, engaging in non-sexual services while working for the agency is not illegal. For example, an escort who merely accompanies a john, or client, to a social gathering is not doing anything illegal. However, if it is implied that a sex act is available but will cost the client extra and a discussion ensues about price for sexual services, and if the discussion occurs in a public place, then the john and the escort are committing an illegal act (i.e., communication for the purpose of prostitution -- s. 213). If, however, the discussion occurs in a private residence, no offence has been committed.

Massage parlours: it is not illegal for an individual to work for a massage parlour as long as they are licensed to do so by the city. Further, engaging in non-sexual services while working for the parlour is not illegal. A masseuse who actually just gives massages is not doing anything illegal. Performing sexual services in a massage clinic may be illegal if the police can prove the clinic is a place which has as its purpose prostitution. If it is implied that a sex act is available but will cost the client extra and a discussion ensues about price for sexual services the masseuse and client are committing an illegal act (communication for the purpose of prostitution -- s. 213) unless the discussion occurs in a massage room. In that case, no illegal act has been committed.

They get hundreds of phone calls from irate home owners who are sick and tired of crack-ho's infecting their neighborhoods..

Well then do what Canadia does and make laws against THAT. But don't make the enitre act of prosititution illegal. There are other ways to fix that problem ya know. Prostitution is legal in Hawaii, especially in Waikiki (sp).....the store/club owners don't mind cause it brings in business. The guys will go where the women are....that's just the way it is. When I was in Hawaii a couple years back, I almost did the "dirty" deed....luckily for me when I went to the ATM I had no money left in the bank. Im glad it turned out that way...I would have felt kind of crappy if I actually went through it. But that's just my PERSONEL feelings, why should they effect what others want to do....they should'nt.

Originally posted by SportyMB
But that's just my PERSONEL feelings, why should they effect what others want to do....they should'nt.

DING, DING, DING, we have a winner. That's the point EXACTLY. Personal morality, not governed morality. Trudeau, our PM some 20-30 years ago stated that he didn't want to be in the bedrooms of Canadians, what the hell has changed?

I'm with you guys. I think prostitution should be legal. I have known several prostitutes in my life and none of them were crack ho's, exploited, drug addicts or immigrants, dirty, diseased or otherwise low-life. None of them.

They're regular women who have boyfriends and husbands! They have kids. They make dinner. They live normal lives and go to work 8-hours a day. They provide a service. This is America! Free Enterprise, ya know?

And when a guy first meets a girl, he buys her flowers, dinner, takes her nice places and buys her gifts... Do you think he would do ANY of that if not for the prospect of sex? He's buying sex all right, he just doesn't know how much it's going to cost or when he's going to collect beforehand. Don't let the fact that it's not mentioned right out fool you into thinking that he's not buying sex.

Anyone who provides a service for money is being 'exploited' for that service. Prostitution, like dancing or acting, is a career that women can choose to make good money for saving or going to school to be a professional.

It's just the culture of 'sex is bad and you should save it for the one you love'! here in the US that's all twisted.

Originally posted by intrepid
So for some reason, sex IS a four letter word and seems to have a need to be regulated. WHY?

Dominionist regulators. Neocons. Politically co-opted Christianity.

It's doesn't take a pork barrel research study grant split between The Family Reseach Institute, The Family Reseach Council and Focus on the Family to figure out what's going on.


Regulating sex? That's hot.

Sex is a four letter word, because parents can't be bothered to take responsibility for teaching their children right and wrong, and want someone else to protect their children. The're so concerned about their children having the best of everything, that they forget to sit down and talk to them about the important things in life. They expect others to make sure their children are safe, and raised well, while they work two or three jobs to give them everything they could want, and then wonder why they end up spoiled, and on drugs.

I think illegalizing prostitution is what is called 'bibical legislation'. Much like why drugs are illegal and why you have a hard time being naked in public or even in your front yard, etc...

Originally posted by intrepid
So for some reason, sex IS a four letter word and seems to have a need to be regulated. WHY?

I agree with all of you quoted, but the above quote stands out to me.

Sex, for some, is a dirty word and act. It is used by the very religious sectors within our communities.

To the 'normal' man (edit for person, dont want to sound sexist here) on the street, sex is a good natural thing to partake in. (Tell me that it isn't)

Yes, it is a way of pro-creating, but is also a way of love and pleasure.
To create something out of of pure love, cannot, to me, be described as 'dirty'. How could you love and cherish something that is deemed as dirty?

Child sex is an absolute no go. Anyone who goes down this road deserves all that is coming to them.

Prostitutes? They have been around long before religion was, so why the 'moral' boundaries? If people want to pay for sex, then so be it, if the person selling has no problem with it.

I ,personally have a good sex life and would not want to pay for it with anyone else. The fact that i have sex in the sense of making love, to me, is not dirty at all, even though there will be no 'pro-creation' at the end of it.

Is it not just nature at the end of day?

[edit on 14-10-2005 by Bikereddie]