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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
The one thing that separates us from the barbarian is, IMO, that we refuse to act like the barbarian; in my view a significant part of that is that we refuse to take life (self/national defence apart).
Originally posted by MickeyDee
Does that mean you consider the US 'Barbarians' for using the death penalty?
Wikipedia
Capital punishment in the United Kingdom
The last remaining provisions for the death penalty under military jurisdiction (except in times of war) were removed when the Human Rights Act 1998 came into force in November 1998. When the 6th Protocol of the European Convention on Human Rights was ratified on the 20 May 1999 all provisions for the death penalty were finally abolished in the United Kingdom. The UK later (October 10, 2003) acceded to the 13th Protocol, explicitly abolishing the death penalty under all circumstances.
Winston Churchill
The grass grows green on the battlefield, but never on the scaffold.
Originally posted by infinite
Im reading the the Daily Mail and this is interesting..
"Today, the death penalty for treason is in abeyance under the terms of the 1998 human rights act. Yet it can be reinstated "in time of war or of imminent threat war"
It can be still used.
When the 6th Protocol of the European Convention on Human Rights was ratified on the 20 May 1999 all provisions for the death penalty were finally abolished in the United Kingdom. The UK later (October 10, 2003) acceded to the 13th Protocol, explicitly abolishing the death penalty under all circumstances.
Originally posted by Uncle Joe
The death penalty is for barbarians, prison is both more humane and less plesent.
Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
So you can go on a killing rampage, and murder countless innocent people, ruin hundreds more lives, and the worst you can expect to receive is the same treatment as the guy next door who burgled the local Tesco, only for a little longer, 8 years on average I believe.
And while murderers are in jail they continue to kill, other inmates and prison warders have all been victims, and will continue to be so.
Not reserving the ultimate sanction for murderers goes hand in hand with restricting the right and ability for citizens to defend themselves, insofar as that goes, the UK is at least consistent.
Originally posted by MickeyDee
Inmates quickley learn why a new prisoner is there and their lives wouldnt be worth living whilst inside!
And for me that is a better punishment than the death penalty!
I have come to the conclusion that executions solve nothing and are only an antiquated relic of a primitive desire for revenge to other people... it is said to be a deterrent. I cannot agree. there have been murders since the beginning of time, and we shall go on looking for deterrents until the end of time. If death were a deterrent, I might be expected to know. It is I who have faced them last, young lads and girls, working men, grandmothers. I have been amazed to see the courage with which they take that walk into the unknown. It did not deter them then, and it had not deterred them when they committed what they were convicted for. All men and women whom I have faced at that final moment convince me that in what I have done I have not prevented a single murder.
Originally posted by devilwasp25 last time I checked, oh and BTW if you want to kill the sucker you do it I wont.
If he attacked me or my family I'd stop him but frankly I wont execute him.
Until what? We show them killing is right?
So now to add with the fact I SHOULD own a firearm to defend myself from my own people
Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
You may be interested to read this:
news.bbc.co.uk...
No, until you stop them from killing anyone else.
It may not strike you as morally right, but others should be allowed that choice. In Britain, there is no choice, and I would never describe murderers as "my own people", they're just murderers.
[edit on 18-9-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]