NEWS: British Government Wins ID Card Vote

Last night the British parliament voted in favour of adopting the controversial ID card system. A blocking amendment had been created by the opposition and signed by 21 rebel Labour MPs but was withdrawn to give a second reading. The ID card bill passed 314 votes to 283. Conservatives and Liberal Democrats opposed the bill saying it provided "no significant contribution to the reduction or eradication of terrorism".



British democracy is dead.

This ID card bill is the coup de grace for civil liberties in this country. If the House of Lords allows this Bill to pass into law we are done for.

The logical next step for these cards to be effective is to allow checkpoints and restricted areas. Otherwise it has no use as a terrorist deterant. Dont believe me. try this analogy.

Think of Britain as a research facility that you want to protect. You issue your staff with ID cards so as to prevent any security breaches. Do you then let any one pass into the facility unchecked? How does that prevent security breaches? Or do you check every single person that tries to enter the facility?

Freedom of movement for civilians will eventually go if this bill becomes law.

And the financial cost of such a travesty makes the adoption of the Bill a crime. Costing between 6 and 18 billion pounds (10.9 to 32.6 billion dollars) for a nation of just over 60 million people is outragous! How does the government plan to recoup some of the cost? They plan to sell personal information for some 44 million Britons to private companies.

The spot light is on the House of Lords. Oh' Lord be thy saviour.

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[edit on 29-6-2005 by John bull 1]

Do these people (government) really think people are going to pay for the priveledge of carrying around yet another form of ID?
If asked for ID, I already have a photo driving licence, a passport, debit and a credit card, as well as a photo ID pass for work. If asked questions I can confirm my address, telephone number and can provide utility bills for that address with my as confirmation. I work in the private security industry, which is currently going through the licencing process, so will have yet another card with my details and a photo.

So, with all these current means of ID, why do I need another? The only time I need to show ID is when I want to open an account somewhere, or travel, for which my passport is adequate.

The LSE submitted a report that estimated that the ID card system would cost the taxpayer a minimum of £10Billion to setup and maintain. The government rejected the claim but refused to take part in the LSE's research or to provide any figures themselves. I'd sure like to know who they have lined up to create and run this system

the thing costs a fortune, there's so many better things that could be done with that money than for some stupid ID card.

I will not pay for /carry an ID card .
This plan is not Evil Tony`s Idea,it is part of the Global plan to spy on and control the entire population of the world.
Why should the world government know where i go,what i do,what books i read,how much money/food i have?
I believe in freedom,and freedom is being stolen from us,here in the uk and in America.
We now have a situation where the rulers of the world are saying"we believe in freedom",whilst systematically erasing our freedom ,bit by bit by bit....
Big companies want your data,to turn you into a work machine,for their own sick ends.
Humans do not wish to be tracked,spied on,data based,treated like cattle/prisoners.
Its interesting that for years any crimminals have been ID Carded,tracked,finger printed.....now all of a sudden we are all expected to submit to this degrading treatment,in the name of freedom.
Well,if you treat people like crimminals , they will start to behave like crimminals...
RESIST THIS NONSENSE
Any one from the UK who has not signed the pledge,please go and sign it NOW at this url: www.pledgebank.com/refuse

The whole idea of ID cards maybe walking forward but the supporters have no method of countering the one thing that can crush the very concept.

The British Public

They can implement the system but they can't force everyone to carry the cards, many and I believe most people will refuse to buy and carry them.
And I personally would like to see the Government try and stand up to the people and see the beautiful sight when the people of Britain slap Blair right in the face.

Maybe this issue could really hurt the Labour party like the Poll tax did to the Conservatives...

We can only hope

Well said Silcone Synapse, my feelings exactly.
I hear the same argument from people all the time, "if you are not doing anything wrong then why should it bother you".
Unbelievable that people have become so conditioned that they just shrug and accept this stuff without even a whimper.

I'm no flag waving patriot but this is my country. What I do is my business.
I honestly think things have not moved on much from the middle ages. We are all taxed to the hilt through income tax and the vast amounts of VAT and stealth taxes, which in my view are nothing short of daylight robbery.
There is no accountability on the part of those who run the country. If they screw up they get away with it or, if their actions are REALLY questionable, they'll issue a "D" notice to the press and "classify" any documents for up to 100 years rather than have the truth come out. Shame the rest of us are not afforded the same priveledge.

Meanwhile the march towards world Government contunues with the tagging and cataloguing of us all.

Crap. This better not pass, as I am only 15 I have basically no rights anyway, so this will get rid of them all. I get followed round shops because the owners think I am going to steal like a lowly chav. And when I go to buy a 15 rated game or DVD, I show them my Air Cadet ID, a MILITARY document, and they still think its fake.

Dont think I am a little s**t just because Im 15, Im not in fact im quite intelligent.

Zanzibar,good to here that you agree,i hope many of your peers think the same way.....its quite disgusting that the "yoof" are being used by Tony`s media butt heads to instill fear into the population.
They tried it with terrorists first but that didnt scare us enough,so now they switch to demonising youngsters,making like you are all knife weilding gang maniacs.....Ideal ID fodder for the future.Write to the house of lords Buddy,looks like they`re the last hope now....

UK Wiz took the words right out of my keyboard...this ID card fiasco may very well be to Blair what the Poll Tax was to Thatcher: a death knell; teach Blair a lesson for being BushCo's lapdog.

They tried this a while ago in Australia, a country where we are notorious for our political and civil rights apathy, but the unexpected uproar and opposition to the idea meant it was scrapped. Let's hope the same happens in the UK.

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For the benefit of us foreigners,, what info is captured by the ID cards? I looked at the article and saw the example; it had a Pin? Is that equivalent to a personal ID number like you have on your ATM card?

Is there any new info that the gov't does not already have, that would be captured by these ID cards?

Originally posted by jsobecky
For the benefit of us foreigners,

, what info is captured by the ID cards?

A worrying amount, which can be seen here
But who knows, maybe the info on the card will change

I am very dissapointed in Tony Blair and my Labour party rep in allowing this to happen. I feel the UK is a testing ground for this ID card scheme and it will be adopted in other countries if it is successful. It has no purpose toward terrorism at all, that is a lie. It is all about ontrol of the public.

We have much more freedoms (and protection of liberty) in the UK than most other countries (I live in the US now and it pails in comparison), they think if they can pull this off on us they can pull it off anywhere. I question the motives of these people and I pray the true Labour party can regain control of the party soon. This is a big step back for freedom. READ A HUGE STEP BACK, whats next? Implated chips and/or barcodes?


What was Gordon Brown's position on this?

We must stand against this! We need to appose this like we did the poll tax, just refuse to abide by it at all. If they force us to have them we should refuse to carry them, how many of us will they throw in jail before they give up?

Whoa! That is a load of info! Thanks for the pointer.

Believe it or not I was in the house of commons when they were debating this yesterday as its free to visit the parts of the houses of parliment. You can go in as a guest as they have seats above the house of commons like in a theatre for guests and journalists as such.

There were some good arguements against the ID scheme and quite frankly the arguement to have it was lost from what I heard. How on earth did it ever get voted in? Maybe its good business to milk more money from the people, like paying per mile to drive your car being introduced soon. Sounds lke we are becoming totaltarian and nobody can do a thing about it. Stealth tax on everything including your freedom.

Tony Blair says you can have good services with it, yet why do we have to pay for our freedom? We liberate Iraq and in turn swap personalities with Sadam but on a hi-tech level. I thought Blair was a Christian, has he ever heard of the mark of the beast?

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This ID plan is going to be disaterous on a scale with compariable dimensions of the millenium dome, or worse. If the bill is passed, can we not just say 'no'. That's what I'm doing if it gets passed. They can't make me buy an ID card

Originally posted by shaunybaby
This ID plan is going to be disaterous on a scale with compariable dimensions of the millenium dome, or worse. If the bill is passed, can we not just say 'no'. That's what I'm doing if it gets passed. They can't make me buy an ID card

Thats the spirit! We have to make sure everyone we know does the same. Just plain refuse to use them and anyone who gets one should leave it at home!

Don't worry, guys. If it didn't happen now, and the EU gets pushed through later on, it would have happened then.

You're the last stop before America between the socialist nations. You have little choice if you play by the rules. The repressive governments and corporations will rule your island as well, given time and patience and the current system.

Or, you can take a lesson from America from about 200 years ago, but instead of tea, fill the Thames with ID cards.

Good luck. We'll be over here waiting for our government to push the same thing, probably during the next administration.

There is lot of effort here in California, (liberal controlled to the core, no less) to create and enforce a similar "pay by the mile" and "pay more by the mile in certain areas" scheme/scam.

Once again proving the evil bastards are on all sides of the aisle.

Originally posted by The time lord
Believe it or not I was in the house of commons when they were debating this yesterday as its free to visit the parts of the houses of parliment. You can go in as a guest as they have seats above the house of commons like in a theatre for guests and journalists as such.

There were some good arguements against the ID scheme and quite frankly the arguement to have it was lost from what I heard. How on earth did it ever get voted in? Maybe its good business to milk more money from the people, like paying per mile to drive your car being introduced soon. Sounds lke we are becoming totaltarian and nobody can do a thing about it. Stealth tax on everything including your freedom.

Tony Blair says you can have good services with it, yet why do we have to pay for our freedom? We liberate Iraq and in turn swap personalities with Sadam but on a hi-tech level. I thought Blair was a Christian, has he ever heard of the mark of the beast?

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I wonder why the Government is pushing ID cards that will cost at least 10 billion pounds to implement. That money could be spent on real defense, like buying a few more ships for the Navy, we only have about 25 destroyers and frigates left now. news.scotsman.com... Ive come to the conclusion that the Government is trying to tag us all for some reason, its scary read this. prisonplanet.com... Why do they want so much information about us and what do they gain by having it?

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alex jones has been telling us they're going to bring in microchiped passports, microchiped ids, biometric scan ids and so on...may have sounded a bit sci-fi...but its going to be a reality for us. and on that note...welcome to the prison planet ladies and gentlemen.