Are we the actual top of the food chain? Maybe not.

I have a rare Friday night where I have hours to myself. Miss the fam, but, I get to chill uninterrupted. Rare air.

What did I do with this time?

Flipped on an alien/hybrid theory documentary and detailed one of my cars. Cathartic.

But, between that and the other thread I authored tonight (I’m in a posting mood, apparently), the notion of definitions of a word stuck with me into the UFO/UAP/EBE phenomenon.

In the ET/UFO sense, I wondered…

Are we really at the top of the food chain?

Or…

Are we at the top of the food chain we’re aware of?

If the latter… what does that mean?

I thought of this:

There are species that thrive thousands of feet below the ocean surface - it’s full of life. The absolute depths of the ocean have been found to contain life.

It’s pitch black. Crushing pressure.

But, there is a species down there who has no idea what humans or our robots/ROVs are and to them we are 100%. aliens.

Our ROVs are “UFOs” to them. Why? Because they live in a place that humanity can’t get to. There is an apex predator in that land, but, it’s not us.

“You stupid Vulcan, of course we’re the apex predator - remember the ROV?”

Alas, you’re right.

But, we’re the top of the heap because of technology. We can go down, study, observe, sample, abduct, study, and do everything else the “alien phenomenon” does.

And we know we have a massive probability of being able to kill what we find, and if it takes out an ROV and we’re not happy about it, we can mount up and go back to not only kill, but abduct and study, whatever harmed our ROV.

That sounds entirely analogous to UFOs or “aliens” and humans.

The life form we found at a mile down probably will never see a human again. Or an ROV. The ocean is big. But there’s a good chance it made said ocean-bottom-dwelling being have a code brown moment while it was there - particularly when they saw their friend get sucked into this mystical tube of death we call a pipe with suction.

And we didn’t take all of them.

This analogy tells me we have a non-zero probability of not being top of the food chain HERE.

Other life forms don’t know WE are here.

But we’re very much here.

We’ve been told we’re the “top of the food chain” because we are relative to the KNOWN or collectively agreed upon “truth”.

But, if you use my example to open yourself up to the “food chain” as potentially being far, far taller than we know of, it’s conceivable we are NOT at the top of the food chain.

If true we’re not at the top of the “real” food chain - no different than the life form at the depths of the sea that’s the apex there but we could kill if desired - then the UFO phenomenon becomes far more realistic in my mind.

Religion tells us there’s a “god” and that we are “beneath” that god. Otherwise, we’re the top of the food chain.

Those gods form religion, society, teachings, morals, principals, etc.

The importance of said god is they give us balance between being the apex predator, and not becoming the unhinged/hyper-hedonistic/ultimately destructive beings to both each other and the planet that we can turn into.

But to those creatures at the bottom of the ocean - we’re god.

Or at minimum something humanity would consider to be super natural.

We’re certainly not supernatural aliens or gods.

But, whoever is flying those UFOs might be saying the same thing to each other about not being supernatural or “gods”.

If the food chain is taller than we have collectively agreed it to be, then the concept of a carbon based life form or civilization that isn’t from earth is behind piloting these anomalous craft, or taking some humans is 100% a possibility.

Thanks for reading.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Erm, you seem to have confused 'food chain' with intelligence.

While the lion is top of the food chain, is it more or less intelligent than a gazelle? It is true that the lion is the better preditor because it is stronger and better armed but is it infact more intelligent?

Your example of taking deep sea samples reminds me of mattresses. All mattresses are named Zem. This is because of this fact, when they are harvested, no mattresses gets upset when talking about it because they don't really know which Zem was harvested.

Now, how is a fish to know a fish was abducted without witnessing it? They don't even have newspapers, as outdated as those are, to announce such things. And as we are taking scientific samples rather than say fishing for food, how is that considered anything to do with a food chain? Fishing is another subject entirely.

Hint on the mattress part, 42.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

I enjoy thinking about things like this when I work on my car as well

The thing is that lots of beasts and fish eat us.

What sets us apart is that we have the knives and forks.

I think that’s what you’re getting at? Are you saying there may be entities out there with fancier cutlery?

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Top of the food chain, or a snack after a long journey through the universe?
We feed ourselves, we self medicate, and there is a large variety to choose from. The perfect cattle that tends itself.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

As far as we are aware, only 'us humans' are capable of thinking about such concepts as 'aliens' or 'are we alone' etc.
But we really don't know what's going on with other species on our own planet , let alone other planets.
We are not alone, that just is certain. They may very well dwell beneath the seas and keep hidden because they know what we are capable of . But we really are not much the wiser than 80 or so years ago.
Off course governments hide truths.

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
I have a rare Friday night where I have hours to myself. Miss the fam, but, I get to chill uninterrupted. Rare air.

What did I do with this time?

Flipped on an alien/hybrid theory documentary and detailed one of my cars. Cathartic.

But, between that and the other thread I authored tonight (I’m in a posting mood, apparently), the notion of definitions of a word stuck with me into the UFO/UAP/EBE phenomenon.

In the ET/UFO sense, I wondered…

Are we really at the top of the food chain?

Or…

Are we at the top of the food chain we’re aware of?

If the latter… what does that mean?

I thought of this:

There are species that thrive thousands of feet below the ocean surface - it’s full of life. The absolute depths of the ocean have been found to contain life.

It’s pitch black. Crushing pressure.

But, there is a species down there who has no idea what humans or our robots/ROVs are and to them we are 100%. aliens.

Our ROVs are “UFOs” to them. Why? Because they live in a place that humanity can’t get to. There is an apex predator in that land, but, it’s not us.

“You stupid Vulcan, of course we’re the apex predator - remember the ROV?”

Alas, you’re right.

But, we’re the top of the heap because of technology. We can go down, study, observe, sample, abduct, study, and do everything else the “alien phenomenon” does.

And we know we have a massive probability of being able to kill what we find, and if it takes out an ROV and we’re not happy about it, we can mount up and go back to not only kill, but abduct and study, whatever harmed our ROV.

That sounds entirely analogous to UFOs or “aliens” and humans.

The life form we found at a mile down probably will never see a human again. Or an ROV. The ocean is big. But there’s a good chance it made said ocean-bottom-dwelling being have a code brown moment while it was there - particularly when they saw their friend get sucked into this mystical tube of death we call a pipe with suction.

And we didn’t take all of them.

This analogy tells me we have a non-zero probability of not being top of the food chain HERE.

Other life forms don’t know WE are here.

But we’re very much here.

We’ve been told we’re the “top of the food chain” because we are relative to the KNOWN or collectively agreed upon “truth”.

But, if you use my example to open yourself up to the “food chain” as potentially being far, far taller than we know of, it’s conceivable we are NOT at the top of the food chain.

If true we’re not at the top of the “real” food chain - no different than the life form at the depths of the sea that’s the apex there but we could kill if desired - then the UFO phenomenon becomes far more realistic in my mind.

Religion tells us there’s a “god” and that we are “beneath” that god. Otherwise, we’re the top of the food chain.

Those gods form religion, society, teachings, morals, principals, etc.

The importance of said god is they give us balance between being the apex predator, and not becoming the unhinged/hyper-hedonistic/ultimately destructive beings to both each other and the planet that we can turn into.

But to those creatures at the bottom of the ocean - we’re god.

Or at minimum something humanity would consider to be super natural.

We’re certainly not supernatural aliens or gods.

But, whoever is flying those UFOs might be saying the same thing to each other about not being supernatural or “gods”.

If the food chain is taller than we have collectively agreed it to be, then the concept of a carbon based life form or civilization that isn’t from earth is behind piloting these anomalous craft, or taking some humans is 100% a possibility.

Thanks for reading.

I've had a few bear encounters. Some sharks by where I was diving.

If you think humanity is top of the food chain. There are bigger fish out there.

We think, we use tools. But so do they.

It's silly to think we are the top species. Most of their tools are built in and intuitive.

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originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
I have a rare Friday night where I have hours to myself. Miss the fam, but, I get to chill uninterrupted. Rare air.

What did I do with this time?

Flipped on an alien/hybrid theory documentary and detailed one of my cars. Cathartic.

But, between that and the other thread I authored tonight (I’m in a posting mood, apparently), the notion of definitions of a word stuck with me into the UFO/UAP/EBE phenomenon.

In the ET/UFO sense, I wondered…

Are we really at the top of the food chain?

Or…

Are we at the top of the food chain we’re aware of?

If the latter… what does that mean?

I thought of this:

There are species that thrive thousands of feet below the ocean surface - it’s full of life. The absolute depths of the ocean have been found to contain life.

It’s pitch black. Crushing pressure.

But, there is a species down there who has no idea what humans or our robots/ROVs are and to them we are 100%. aliens.

Our ROVs are “UFOs” to them. Why? Because they live in a place that humanity can’t get to. There is an apex predator in that land, but, it’s not us.

“You stupid Vulcan, of course we’re the apex predator - remember the ROV?”

Alas, you’re right.

But, we’re the top of the heap because of technology. We can go down, study, observe, sample, abduct, study, and do everything else the “alien phenomenon” does.

And we know we have a massive probability of being able to kill what we find, and if it takes out an ROV and we’re not happy about it, we can mount up and go back to not only kill, but abduct and study, whatever harmed our ROV.

That sounds entirely analogous to UFOs or “aliens” and humans.

The life form we found at a mile down probably will never see a human again. Or an ROV. The ocean is big. But there’s a good chance it made said ocean-bottom-dwelling being have a code brown moment while it was there - particularly when they saw their friend get sucked into this mystical tube of death we call a pipe with suction.

And we didn’t take all of them.

This analogy tells me we have a non-zero probability of not being top of the food chain HERE.

Other life forms don’t know WE are here.

But we’re very much here.

We’ve been told we’re the “top of the food chain” because we are relative to the KNOWN or collectively agreed upon “truth”.

But, if you use my example to open yourself up to the “food chain” as potentially being far, far taller than we know of, it’s conceivable we are NOT at the top of the food chain.

If true we’re not at the top of the “real” food chain - no different than the life form at the depths of the sea that’s the apex there but we could kill if desired - then the UFO phenomenon becomes far more realistic in my mind.

Religion tells us there’s a “god” and that we are “beneath” that god. Otherwise, we’re the top of the food chain.

Those gods form religion, society, teachings, morals, principals, etc.

The importance of said god is they give us balance between being the apex predator, and not becoming the unhinged/hyper-hedonistic/ultimately destructive beings to both each other and the planet that we can turn into.

But to those creatures at the bottom of the ocean - we’re god.

Or at minimum something humanity would consider to be super natural.

We’re certainly not supernatural aliens or gods.

But, whoever is flying those UFOs might be saying the same thing to each other about not being supernatural or “gods”.

If the food chain is taller than we have collectively agreed it to be, then the concept of a carbon based life form or civilization that isn’t from earth is behind piloting these anomalous craft, or taking some humans is 100% a possibility.

Thanks for reading.

I've had a few bear encounters. Some sharks by where I was diving.

If you think humanity is top of the food chain. There are bigger fish out there.

We think, we use tools. But so do they.

It's silly to think we are the top species. Most of their tools are built in and intuitive.

In a caveman sense, yes.

But not in a modern sense.

Sharks, maybe, but you’re in their environment. If you saw them first and shot first, still win.

Bears? Not an issue if you’re armed. Might need to be a pretty powerful tool in your hands, but, you can drop a bear.

My point in saying that is, being + intelligence = ability to augment the being. We are the top of the food chain because tools/tech.

You’re assuming the food chain is about who is “naturally” more powerful. In that sense you’re right.

But that’s a one-dimensional view.

Said another way - name one species that hunts humans as prey that we do not have a weapon to defeat. Answer - zero. That doesn’t mean some people don’t get eaten by sharks, bears, lions, etc. It means that if we wanted to mobilize against all tigers they would all be dead real fast.

Same cannot be said of tigers - they don’t even have the power of species-level collectivism. And if they did/do, what good is that against a convoy of armored vehicles, 50 caliber turrets, bombs, missiles, mines, etc.

It’s no good.

So we remain the apex predator - bar none - as we could eradicate any species on the planet if we so chose, which includes ourselves.

You have to expand the definition of “top of the food chain” and realize our ability to use tools is also natural. We evolved beyond physical stature being the determining factor of how the hierarchy plays out in practice.

So, yes, we are the apex predator.

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: VulcanWerks

Top of the food chain, or a snack after a long journey through the universe?
We feed ourselves, we self medicate, and there is a large variety to choose from. The perfect cattle that tends itself.

Entirely plausible. 😎

Take our weapons away and we're not much than blood balloons, a couple of medium sized dogs could kill a person if they so felt like it.

originally posted by: Celt88
Take our weapons away and we're not much than blood balloons, a couple of medium sized dogs could kill a person if they so felt like it.

Lots of animals could kill a human without weapons.

If penguins figured out how to coordinate at a species level across continents, make and deploy Star Trek level tech, and decided they wanted to kill all of us - we’d all be dead.

However, in a natural setting without tools, most penguins could be taken down by a human. Emperor penguins are very strong - so we’ll call this a marginally even fight if using an average of human v. Emperor. A gigantic body builder would almost certainly win - or martial arts specialists.

But the penguins in this example are a bunch of murdering bast@rds so rather than jump in the octagon with you they’ll just use their tech to kill you - and everyone else.

Are humans still the most dominant species?

No. We’re all dead.

So does that mean penguins aren’t the apex predator since we could whoop the butt of most of them - even 1:1?

Nope. It means they are - in this fictitious, penguin aggrandizing example - the apex predator.

Definitions matter.

It's a cook book!
(*Twilight Zone)
Seriously, we are not the top of the food chain.
We are just smart enough to avoid those that can kill us.
Usually.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

I've had a few bear encounters

I had a bear encounter once .
Wound up throwing him on the grill and having some great bear steaks and baked taters.
Top of the food chain ? Yes.
Even our cave man ancestors brought down mammoths back in the day .

Well a deal was made decades ago to farm us and allow us to be used for genetic experiments as abductees, so no.
People have been saying this for years.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
It's a cook book!
(*Twilight Zone)
Seriously, we are not the top of the food chain.
We are just smart enough to avoid those that can kill us.
Usually.

If being able to kill anything we want, at will, doesn’t make you the apex predator then I don’t know what does.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

I've had a few bear encounters

I had a bear encounter once .
Wound up throwing him on the grill and having some great bear steaks and baked taters.
Top of the food chain ? Yes.
Even our cave man ancestors brought down mammoths back in the day .

This.

It’s incomplete thinking, IMO, to assume that physical size or teeth or anything of that ilk is the defining factor in hierarchy.

It’s like in the other thread about the alleged alien photo.

Some one basically said “should we really be worried? They’re small - we can take them”.

I bet the bear the got turned into dinner said the same thing about us.

a reply to: TheLieWeLive

or a snack after a long journey through the universe?

bug in the egar suit: It's a long trip. I'll need a snack.

Anyone feels we are top, go swim with an orca or great white then see if you feel on top of the food chain.

Orca scare the crap out of me. We’re entirely at their whim. They say they don’t kill humans I think they are just better at covering up the evidence.

originally posted by: pianopraze
Anyone feels we are top, go swim with an orca or great white then see if you feel on top of the food chain.

Orca scare the crap out of me. We’re entirely at their whim. They say they don’t kill humans I think they are just better at covering up the evidence.

So you don’t define the “food chain” as the ability to kill other life forms at will, if you so choose?

I think we have defined the food chain improperly - or shouldn’t include ourselves in it, perhaps.

We are above the food chain - and that’s kind of the problem, in a way.

a reply to: pianopraze

I'm a pretty non dangerous guy; usually passive, too. Yet when someone I care for is threatened, I become aggressively protective. With this trait, others learn not to "poke the bear." I look very non-threatening, so my silent intelligence is the biggest factor that allows me to come out on top(usually.)

If humans didn't have fire, would we still have survived this long? Our tools, intelligence being one of them, allowed us to get to the top and stay here(aliens notwithstanding). How often were humans avoided because of fire? That was the animals intelligence being aware/cautious/afraid.

Jumping into an ocean with the intention to kill an orca, is probably not the same feeling as falling into the sea accidentally and being vulnerable. Is a hibernating bear as dangerous as one that is active? I also hear that animals fight out of self preservation rather than choice. Choice is for the top who have it easy enough, hence top of the food chain.