Federal judge temporarily blocks Tennessee's anti-drag law

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Moon68

Think Moon, what would happen if YOU did that to a stranger's child?

Pretty sure there is already a law against that, regardless of whether the person who violated that child is a man, a woman, or cross dressed.

I wouldn't because I don't suffer from the mental illness that that dude does.

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Sookiechacha

How exactly is this infringing on their 1st and 14th amendment rights? You like to throw those two numbers out but I don't believe you've really explained yourself there.

The group also argued that if a drag queen and Tennessee Titans cheerleader danced in the presence of children, only the drag performer would be breaking the law.

“Thus, the prohibited speech is defined by the identity of the drag performer — and the message he conveys,” lawyers for the group wrote, adding that violates the First Amendment.

Not only does the law, as written, violate the 1st Amendment, it also violates the 14th Amendment, which guarantees equal protection under the law.

www.nbcnews.com...

Where in the 1st amendment does it state the right to give a child a lap dance?

www.foxnews.com...

what does that have to do with drag as a whole? that's like saying all gun owners are murdering psychos just because some individuals commit murder, that doesn't justify banning everyone from owning a gun, just like banning everyone from practicing free speech because some people say questionable things.

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Sookiechacha

How exactly is this infringing on their 1st and 14th amendment rights? You like to throw those two numbers out but I don't believe you've really explained yourself there.

The group also argued that if a drag queen and Tennessee Titans cheerleader danced in the presence of children, only the drag performer would be breaking the law.

“Thus, the prohibited speech is defined by the identity of the drag performer — and the message he conveys,” lawyers for the group wrote, adding that violates the First Amendment.

Not only does the law, as written, violate the 1st Amendment, it also violates the 14th Amendment, which guarantees equal protection under the law.

www.nbcnews.com...

Where in the 1st amendment does it state the right to give a child a lap dance?

www.foxnews.com...

what does that have to do with drag as a whole? that's like saying all gun owners are murdering psychos just because some individuals commit murder, that doesn't justify banning everyone from owning a gun, just like banning everyone from practicing free speech because some people say questionable things.

It doesn't have anything to do with drag queens as a whole, just like the bill being discussed.

originally posted by: continuousThunder

i leave it to the jury to decide which is closer to reality and which is reflecting a pre-existing bias in the author.

Well first, I think she is a he now...

I guess we can go down that path that the anti-trans people are pushing this to some level, but you missed my point. he was diagnosed by his parents at the age of two.

It's a dream she’s had since she was 2 years old.

He even has weird memory implants that basically his parents told him about his whole life to believe it is true today. This is what he believed for a long time. Though it is basically an impossibility, but hey sounds good for the trans community.

"When I was 2 years old, I went up to my mom and asked her, 'When is the good fairy going to come with her magic wand and change my penis into a vagina?'"

Today he is questioning it all, but kind of late as a person now extremely overweight due to the lifelong drugs/surgeries that put him in a bubble of neither male nor female. Started treatments so early he never developed and so the surgery had to be different with no actual penis to use. Then he says he has been depressed most of his life, go figure... geez

Back to the main point of my reply to you that you conveniently overlooked. Kids can be molded any which way an adult wants to mold them until one day they realize just what happened. This is just one extreme case that the trans community sees as victory, but I see it as a living hell created by his parents, and he is just now figuring that all out as an adult.

I would like you to put yourself in their shoes of never experiencing any sexual pleasure, stuck with a lifelong process or surgeries that cannot fix anything already done. Jazz one day might kill himself and of course the trans community will blame everyone else for not accepting him and not see the real reasons.

So back to my one question, do you think peds find gay kids or do you think they convince kids that what they want to do is normal.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It's hard to care about republicans losng their minds over a portion of the population that is less than 1%. Mass shootings happening every month but trans dancing is more of a concern. With that perspective its hard to see that this is anything more than hysteria. Sure, some overtly sexual trans people doing dances for kids isn't cool. But, that sounds like a parental concern. Don't bring your kids to drag shows then. Issue solved..

a reply to: continuousThunder

I can't help but feel like this new-found controversy surrounding transgenderism is an agenda pushed by both sides to stir the pot. Keep us distracted. As per usually, each side is dug in and invested in the perspective media tells them to be outraged about.

Republicans are so worried about less than .001% of the population interacting with kids, but has no problem brushing off the quarterly mass shootings happening around the country.

originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: continuousThunder

I can't help but feel like this new-found controversy surrounding transgenderism is an agenda pushed by both sides to stir the pot. Keep us distracted. As per usually, each side is dug in and invested in the perspective media tells them to be outraged about.

Republicans are so worried about less than .001% of the population interacting with kids, but has no problem brushing off the quarterly mass shootings happening around the country.

Talk about a strawman argument and I'm guessing by republicans, you are referring to conservatives in general.

First of all, no one is brushing off mass shootings. Not wanting to ban firearms or erase the 2nd amendment might be considered brushing off to someone with a political agenda, but conservatives want to actually address the real core issues behind the dramatic rise in the kind of people who would murder children. The fact that all these mass shooters have been on some kind of psychotropic medications and have serious social problems is something the rabid anti-gun frequently ignores, so don't pretend like you have the moral high ground.

Second, I don't care if it's a small number of perverts interacting with children, the fact that you are brushing that off because it's a relatively small number of perverts is disturbing. The fact that it's being encouraged now by politicians, media, public schools, and corporations is even more disturbing. Sorry but child drag shows is not normal, this is cult like brainwashing. Giving hormones and puberty blockers to children is child abuse and should be criminal, these children are being coerced into having their lives completely ruined before they can even make an informed decision.

Maybe you need to ignore the politics behind these issues and do some serious deep thinking.

a reply to: Cymatic

What Republicans are actually proposing a solution to mass shootings? Sure, drugs can be a contributing factor but what are we actually doing about it? It doesn't seem like there is much talk about solutions. If drugs are playing into mass shootings then we still have to have gun laws to prevent people on such drugs from any access to guns. We're not going to just solve mass mental health issues overnight - the only practice solution is access to guns.

Why is it so hard to talk about our gun laws and limiting access to people that have mental issues?

I'm not brushing off child drag shows. It's just simply a very miniscule thing thats happening and can be solved by some simple parenting. Don't bring your children to drag shows if you don't want your kid watching it. Seems like an easy solution.

My whole point is that we are obsessing over something that isn't much of an issue IMO. It's not like there is some massive epedimic of teachers bringing in drag queens to dance around classrooms. I honestly don't get what the fuss is about.

a reply to: Turquosie

Your problem is that you think lawmakers can provide a quick fix to some deep rooted societal issues that have been brewing for decades. There's a laundry list of issues that contribute to anti-social behavior and complete disregard for human life. We didn't have this problem a few decades ago yet guns were just as easy, if not easier, to access.

Asking the government to fix this by throwing away centuries of freedoms while ignoring the actual root causes indicates you really don't care about, or just completely take for granted, the freedoms that you inherited.

The strange thing is that you take the complete opposite approach with child sex shows. These are not drag shows and you can't even post images from them without getting your post removed due to the explicit sexual content. You are perfectly ok with children being sexualized as long as they are your kids. That's just wrong. And in case you weren't aware, there are laws against taking a child into a pornographic movie theater, but you seem to think there shouldn't be any it's just up to the parents. If you can't see a problem with that, then you need to do some serious self reflection.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

OMG! The agony! Oh, you hit me below the belt there, Sookiechacha! How, oh how can I ever recover from such an insult?

Actually, I'll have more trouble recovering from the hysterical laughter. That insult you tried is so old, so abused, so covered in fossillized dinosaur crap, it is more funny than anything else. What, are you still in the 3rd grade?

Next post, you'll probably say "I'm rubber; you're glue; what you say bounces off me and sticks to you."


No, Sookiechacha, I am not the least bit intrigued by some cross-dresser strutting their stuff. I actually find it disgusting. However, I find gay porn the same way, still, I know that it is prurient. People do not have to become aroused at something to understand it is intended to be sexually titillating... aka prurient, since you want exact wording to be used and have some difficulty with the concept of synonyms.

Wait... I think I remember learning about synonyms in the 4th grade... hmmm... anyway...

The problem I have is simply that they are "strutting their stuff" and doing so in front of children. I have no issue with a cross-dresser or transsexual or anyone else doing whatever cranks their tractor, as long as they do it where children are not allowed. For crying out loud, the tobacco shop I use has a big sign out front: "Must be 18 to enter." A person must be 18 or older to walk into a tobacco store, but they can watch some guy in a dress acting like he's an R-rated Madonna?

I'm not going to watch those videos. I can already see body parts accentuated in the preview shot. That makes it prurient and, under this law, illegal to perform in front of children.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

"i point blank refuse to watch this thing but oh boy am i prepared to rant about how disgusting it is for eleven pages"

damn man just take the L

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Today he is questioning it all

extremely strange how this incredibly detailed post of you fantasising about a young trans person's sex life and how they regret it all and how they're so depressed they'll kill themselves over it........ is a response to my post about how the only primary sources i could find are her talking about how she just wants to be seen as a woman and left alone and it's being in the public eye that makes her life hard.
A post about how the only sources saying she "regrets it" are from people watching her reality tv show and then bringing THEIR OWN PERCEPTION AND BIASES TO HER LIFE.

and then you go and do exactly the same thing, but, like, on mega turbo super creep mode.

WEIRD.

Back to the main point of my reply to you that you conveniently overlooked.

lol

a reply to: continuousThunder

Oh, I have sat through some of the videos... disgusting as it is to me, I figure it's worth the torment to protect the kids.

I understand that there is this belief among some that if they do something just completely disgusting, everyone else will look away to avoid seeing it. What this belief does not realize is that a good parent will do anything... anything... to protect their child. That's nature. If I am out walking in the mountain and come across a black bear, I just adjust course a little and we both go on our own merry way; if I am walking in the mountain and come across a black bear cub, I am running the other way as hard as I can. I understand that all it takes is one squeal from that cub and Momma is going to eat me alive and use my shattered femur to pick her teeth.

A damn rabbit will fight to the death if her babies are threatened.

You're attacking children. You better stop. Fair warning.

TheRedneck

a reply to: continuousThunder

she just wants to be seen as a woman and left alone and it's being in the public eye that makes her life hard.

That's the thing... he will never, no matter what he does, be seen as a woman by others. Ever. It cannot happen. No law, no shaming, no double-speak can force someone to change what they think. The only way to change what someone thinks is to convince them that it is the truth... and he is not a woman! He may have a similar body configuration as a woman, but his DNA is male, not female. He was born a man. People do not get "do-overs" on how they were born. All anyone can do is try to force people to respect a choice that is unnatural and contrary to everything we know about the human species, and as stated, that is simply impossible. Any attempt to force thought on others just causes resentment, even if others outwardly comply.

He will never have a child. He will never have the experience of having actual female body parts. His are only female in outward appearance... a broken down Yugo under a sleek Camaro shell, if you will. It might look like a Camaro, but it runs like a broken-down Yugo and it always will.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Cymatic

1. I don't support child sex shows. That's pedophilia. I'm refering to to drag shows in which men or women dress up in opposite sex clothing. I do agree that drag shows with kids present shouldnt include anything sexual. My point was that how often do we have drag shows in which parents choose to bring their kids to which are overtly sexual?

Is it really a problem? Because we already have laws that prevent sexual exposure to kids.

If it's just a fully clothed drag show that's not some strip show or something I don't see the issue. And if parents are bringing their kids to sexual drag shows then that's just bad parenting.

a reply to: TheRedneck

While I agree that no one should be forced to have a certain perspective or say one's pronouns. I just don't see the harm in respecting the decision to be seen as a female. Of course nobody sees a trans woman as biologically female. However, what harm does it do to respect how they wish to be seen?

No one is really debating their biological status but wether society should respect their decision to be seen as the opposite gender. And if that's going to make them happy, then why not?

a reply to: Turquosie

Of course nobody sees a trans woman as biologically female. However, what harm does it do to respect how they wish to be seen?

None. No harm whatsoever. I agree with you on that.

Where I draw the line is at "drag queen storytime." Some seem to not believe that the purpose is of a prurient nature; tell me then, why is it suddenly such a big deal to cross-dress for the express purpose of exposing the children to a cross-dresser?

Flip Wilson was hilarious back in the day when he played "Geraldine." There was nothing sexual about that. It was just comedy. Other entertainers have done similar. But they were playing to a general audience for the purpose of being funny, not for the purpose of indoctrination into an alternate lifestyle.

Even Ru Paul, who I do not enjoy, has every right to perform as he chooses. But if Ru Paul were to decide to dress in drag and start using activities to assemble children together, I would have a BIG problem with them doing so. Ru Paul does not do that (as far as I know) so I have no problem with him. Whatever cranks his tractor. I just don't like his style of entertainment, so I don't watch it. Easy.

This law does not prohibit Ru Paul from performing in any way whatsoever. He can still perform, just not around children. His act is too adult for that and, to his credit, he doesn't normally do so.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

This law does not prohibit Ru Paul from performing in any way whatsoever. He can still perform, just not around children.

It prohibits "Adult cabaret performance" means a performance in a location other than an
adult cabaret that features topless dancers, go-go dancers, exotic dancers, strippers,
male or female impersonators who provide entertainment that appeals to a prurient
interest, or similar entertainers, regardless of whether or not performed for consideration"
For the Tennessee law.

So, I think any kind of exotic dancing, can only be done in an adult cabaret setting. 1000 ft from schools, parks, public places and places of worship.

I think cross dressers or trans can still perform as long as it doesnt have any adult themes but that's a bit risky considering if one decides it is adult-themed its a misdeamene and escalates from there.

If Tennessee people think this is so important to pass then go ahead. However, I doubt there is an epidemic of exotic dancers parading around and performing in public or around children. It seems like something that politicians are pushing to appease their voters. Honestly, I could care less either way.

I just know we have more pressing issue at hand and draconian laws being pushed while we focus on transgender BS that doesn't really matter.

originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: Cymatic

1. I don't support child sex shows. That's pedophilia. I'm refering to to drag shows in which men or women dress up in opposite sex clothing. I do agree that drag shows with kids present shouldnt include anything sexual. My point was that how often do we have drag shows in which parents choose to bring their kids to which are overtly sexual?

Is it really a problem? Because we already have laws that prevent sexual exposure to kids.

If it's just a fully clothed drag show that's not some strip show or something I don't see the issue. And if parents are bringing their kids to sexual drag shows then that's just bad parenting.

Except these are not just drag shows, they are overtly sexual. And yes it is a problem because these laws are obviously being ignored. The same goes for the pride parades that people take their kids to, which sound harmless on the surface, yet they all have men gyrating in assless chaps and other overtly sexual displays.

Either you haven't looked into what is going on or you just don't care.

And Kansas today passed their new law to forbid a transgender kid from playing in a sport as the sex they identify with. No big deal right? Well, except that if there is a challenge to the kid, then they will allow an inspection of the child's genitals. Better hope you don't have a star player that beats another team and some upset mom challenges your child's identity. Then some random adult gets to take a gander at your child's goods.

Notice we're not hearing CRT as Fox screeched over 600x in one month? Now it's the new scary monster.

What will happen is, all these laws are well and good, until some "Patriot" is on the bad end of it. Then it will be outrage. As usual.