The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

a reply to: carewemust

Ile take "Christian" for two points please bob.

It's not that complicated really.

a reply to: andy06shake

Ah well maybe you're right, it's obviously scripted anyway.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Well, the Bible is chock full of the stuff, scripture that is.

With Jesus being the main protagonist where the new testament is concerned.

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”

God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son. Once Jesus arrived life has been going on for a while. People gained wealth and had a life. Jesus was there to change everybody's lives. No one had been saved yet.

So everybody had to start a new life.

Nowadays I myself don't have Jesus as a physical friend so I can't follow Him places and He's not here to tell me to leave everything behind and go on the road with Him.

What was written was what Jesus told to the people at that moment where He was at.

Nowadays Jesus already resurrected and went back to The Father so that changed existence somehow.

Please don't reply, I'm not asking anything and am not really interested in any. God is here.

originally posted by: ltrz2025
]“If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”

You keep coming around in circles and are mixing up different passages so let's take them one at a time...again

This above was in answer to one man who put wealth before God when that one rich man asked Jesus what more can he do that he isn't already doing. The man did not understand his true idol was wealth and not God, so as I said...You just can't say "my bad" you need to show God that you truly have come back to him. In this case Jesus said to sell his idol (wealth) if he truly wanted to be in perfection with God. This doesn't mean everyone; everyone has not traded another idol for God as this one rich man had done. I'm not sure how to explain this anymore plainly, so maybe just drop it all together, or go talk to some theologian on it.

This has been said to you over and over and you just do not get it... I think you are being deliberately obtuse here...

22 But when the young man heard Jesus tell him to give away his money, he was sad. He didn’t want to do this, because he was very rich. So he left.

Yes, he wasn't willing to give up his idol...

23 Then Jesus said to his followers, “The truth is, it will be very hard for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom. 24 Yes, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom."

This doesn't say everyone who has anything, it say rich... I addressed this 2 or 3 times now. A rich person has most likely exchanged wealth for God, how can you not see this? This is all about the first two Commandments and not about owning anything or wealth in general. Its about people who might exchange God for another idol.

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”

The actions of people no matter how good or great will not buy them a place in heaven. This alone contradicts everything you are trying to suggest. Giving everything away is not what gets you into heaven...

Back to the... Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future... No matter what you do great or small the cost into Heaven is 1 denarius for all

27 Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”

28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life.30 Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future."

I'll say it again... No matter what you do great or small the cost into Heaven is 1 denarius for all

Jesus is clearly and literally saying to all their disciples two things:

No he is not, that is just your weird interpretation of it all. Need to read the whole story...

But many who are first will be last; and the last, first. For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place; and to those he said, “You too go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.” And so they went. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did the same thing. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing; and he said to them, “Why have you been standing here idle all day long?” (NASB) Matt. 19:30-20:6

” Take what is yours and go your way, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?” Thus the last shall be first, and the first last. (NASB) Matt. 20:14-16

Whatever you do in life big or small will still only cost you one denarius to get into heaven that cost is to truly believe Jesus is your savior. Same cost for everyone...

You are mixing all into one pot a story of breaking the first two commandments and what is the cost to get into heaven.


To put all you crap logic into two simple statements.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall make no idols.
2. No matter what you do great or small or even good the price into heaven is the same for all, one denarius...

a reply to: ltrz2025

Do you even believe Jesus is the son of God/Elohim?... His kindom is spiritual, not Earthly... Jesus turned into pure energy... He wasn't a "communist hippy."

People like you would believe that "trees are communist because they give everything for free..."

Communism IS NOT A SPIRITUAL SYSTEM...
Communism is a system that aims at FORCING people to believe the lives of individuals do not matter and only the "perpetual revolution matters..."
Communism is a POLITICAL and it's ECONOMIC system is socialist. Christianity is a spiritual way of life... You are falsely comparing a POLITICAL SYSTEM that oppresses people with a spiritual way of life that gives every single person the choice to follow Jesus/God/Elohim or not...

a reply to: Xtrozero

LOL, you are saying that I'm mixing different parts of the Bible, when I'm staying focused on the end of Chapter 19, and you are literally taking things from another chapter (20) to arrive to your "conclusion". The projection is strong in this one!

Plus, the conclusion that you arrive by reading Matthew 19, is that "all you have to do get to heaven is to pay is 1 denarius"? I've been studying all this for over 40 years, not only I've never heard such a thing, but it's completely incoherent.

When Jesus speaks about those who will be saved, he clearly says that they will not be many, but just a few.

"Enter through the narrow gate, for the gate that is wide and the road broad leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and those who find it are few in number."
(Matthew 7:13-14)

But according to you, apparently all you have to do is pay 1 denarius. That doesn't sound like a narrow gate, but more like a cheap bus ticket. Plus, you are literally saying that you can buy your way to heaven with money. I haven't heard a Cristian say such a heretical thing in quite a long time, certainly interesting....


IS JESUS A FOOL THEN?
Basically you are saying that Jesus was a fool who couldn't speak straight. That we should pay no attention to his literal worlds, but try to find a very weird and complicated interpretation, that says incoherent things (pay 1 denarius if you want to go to heaven), which you arrive to by using texts from a different chapter, and all this while telling a story about a rich guy not wanting to give his money in the middle of it all? Man, I heard far fetched things, but this one deserves an applause.


THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION
The literal interpretation of the word of Jesus is that the end of Matthew chapter 19 (without reaching to another chapter), Jesus explains how getting rid of your wealth and possessions is the key to go to heaven (reach eternal life). It's quite a simple, literal, and straight forward story. The rich man story was was simply there to set an example regarding wealth and greed, nothing else. There is no denarius named in Matthew 19:21-30.

Here below, Matthew 19:21-30 again, for anyone wanting to read Jesus' words.

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”

22 But when the young man heard Jesus tell him to give away his money, he was sad. He didn’t want to do this, because he was very rich. So he left.

23 Then Jesus said to his followers, “The truth is, it will be very hard for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom. 24 Yes, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom."

25 The followers were amazed to hear this. They asked, “Then who can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”

27 Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”

28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life. 30 Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future."

a reply to: ltrz2025

so you've studied the bible for 40 years but your aren't a christian
are you a religious scholar then?

all this study just to come and have a "i know more about the bible" session on ATS
so you want everyone to say that you are right and bow down to your superior bible knowledge?

you said that you wanted christians to realise they werent true christians because they werent following jesus
word by his examples, then you are speaking about every so called christian on earth
we'd literally need to be jesus to follow him.
You also said you didnt want christians to weaponise their religion as some have done on ATS in previous threads
but it seems your just flexing your bible knowledge

why bother it wont achieve anything let god sort them out
I mean you are judging other christians for not being christian enough according to jesus
didnt he say not to judge others

but i guess your ok to do so since you claim not to be christian

i dunno this feels like an epic waste of time.

originally posted by: ltrz2025

But according to you, apparently all you have to do is pay 1 denarius. That doesn't sound like a narrow gate, but more like a cheap bus ticket. Plus, you are literally saying that you can buy your way to heaven with money. I haven't heard a Cristian say such a heretical thing in quite a long time, certainly interesting....

Once again you do not understand the price is the same for everyone. 1 denarius is a metaphor for that price, so I can't help you if you do not understand it even with 40 years of study.

IS JESUS A FOOL THEN?
Basically you are saying that Jesus was a fool who couldn't speak straight.

He spoke perfectly fine, not sure what one would call someone who can't understand what he says.

. The rich man story was was simply there to set an example regarding wealth and greed, nothing else.

a simple example...Ok...

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Here below, Matthew 19:21-30 again, for anyone wanting to read Jesus' words.

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”

22 But when the young man heard Jesus tell him to give away his money, he was sad. He didn’t want to do this, because he was very rich. So he left.

23 Then Jesus said to his followers, “The truth is, it will be very hard for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom. 24 Yes, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom."

25 The followers were amazed to hear this. They asked, “Then who can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”

27 Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”

28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life. 30 Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future."

I didn't know that is only what he said, only what others have said and that he boldface his important parts, THANKS. only 99 more reposting as an answer to get to your 100 more.

originally posted by: sapien82
i dunno this feels like an epic waste of time.

Super trolls usually have 3 to 4 accounts too and it's an act as if there's a serious conversation taking place but it's just 1 sometimes "maybe" two people looking like 4, 6 or 8 people confirming themselves.

Easy spot now, it's all in the syntax... You can tell who the same people are by writing style.

I'm very proficient at it, it's like listening to a guitarist play in different bands you can tell their style regardless of the other members of different bands.

originally posted by: Untun

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”

God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son. Once Jesus arrived life has been going on for a while. People gained wealth and had a life. Jesus was there to change everybody's lives. No one had been saved yet.

So everybody had to start a new life.

Nowadays I myself don't have Jesus as a physical friend so I can't follow Him places and He's not here to tell me to leave everything behind and go on the road with Him.

What was written was what Jesus told to the people at that moment where He was at.

Nowadays Jesus already resurrected and went back to The Father so that changed existence somehow.

Please don't reply, I'm not asking anything and am not really interested in any. God is here.

wouldn't that make God the Father a commie too?

" no one gets to the father but through me. i am the way, the truth and the light.

wouldn't that make the universe communist?

commies don't believe in God so where does that leave us or them?

commieism is a human construct?

imagine that.
i never would have guessed.

a reply to: ketsuko

Of course, God exists outside our universe...

Is this really addressed to me? What you've written doesn't seem to speak to the content of the post (one of mine) that it is supposedly in reply to.

Second time this has occurred in the thread so far. A glitch in the Matrix?

That’s not communism though, as you or anybody else knows it.

a reply to: ltrz2025

a reply to: iamthevirus

I've been suspecting this is the person who has been spamming the boards about the "god" book.

a reply to: Astyanax

No it was to you and your talk about determinism and the rest. We keep falling into the trap of time because we live in time. God does not. The Bible even says as much.

a reply to: sapien82

So you see... "Me" yours truly brought to to fruition and into the light the purpose of this entire thread just a few short pages ago.

It doesn't take long once I grace a scripted thread with my presence.

originally posted by: Untun
I'd give y'all a club to smash each other's head in but it seems I'm too late already.

The possiblity of even getting there.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah DOTM was supposed to handle this one a year ago back when I was just reading/lurking.

The name and the stage may change but their song remains the same.

"song" not as in topics but as in linguistics/lexicon.

OutTheBox is it?

All I'd have to do is spend like an hour researching their post history and I'll reveal how many usernames a poster uses.

They haven't piqued my interest enough to do so yet.

a reply to: ltrz2025

I am posting as a member in this thread. Moderators on ATS are prohibited from using their moderation abilities in threads they participate in as members. I take it you were unaware of this?

If another Staff member deems a post to be in violation of the Terms & Conditions, they will take care of it.

TheRedneck