The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Now that you mention "Cross Dressing" well technically In some Christian denominations, such as the Catholic Church, aka Holy Roman Church of St Peter, priests, bishops, and even the pope, wear vestments that include a type of dress or robe called a cassock or a habit, so there is that.

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In a non or low monetary society there are still means of an economic system. It is just that money is not so much the tool used. This doesn't make those systems better, and as we see how communism has played out over and over those other tools end up sucking a good deal over just money.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Works on paper but fails in practice down to the fact that people are corruptible and hence some are always going to desire more than the next man.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iamthevirus

Now that you mention "Cross Dressing" well technically In some Christian denominations, such as the Catholic Church, aka Holy Roman Church of St Peter, priests, bishops, and even the pope, wear vestments that include a type of dress or robe called a cassock or a habit, so there is that.

I wouldn't know honestly I don't practice Christianity, I'm a Theist.

I get a boner when commies are around that's all I know... May have something to do with the connection between sex and violence?

a reply to: iamthevirus

Whatever floats your boat iamthevirus.

But as far as I'm aware sex and violence are unrelated to the core tenets of communism and are not central to its philosophy or practice.

There have been instances in history where communist regimes have been associated with repression, violence, and human rights abuses, but then again so have many others that choose to follow a different political ideology.

a reply to: TheRedneck
Hi, shouldn't you as moderator, or other mods, or admins, be deleting messages around here for "off-topic" and personal attacks"? Thanks.

a reply to: andy06shake

In Victorian times the infant mortality rate was so high that it was the practice for every child to be clothed in dresses until they were 7ish. The time when boys finally put on pants was an event called "breaching".

a reply to: ketsuko

Well, i know there were not many people kicking around antiquity with pairs of Levi 501s on or many others in trousers/pants for that matter.

Trousers/pants apparently have a long history, but it's difficult to pinpoint exactly when they were first invented.

Seems to be some belief that they were first worn by horse-riding nomads in Central Asia down to the garment providing greater mobility and protection than the traditional robes and tunics worn.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iamthevirus

Whatever floats your boat iamthevirus.

But as far as I'm aware sex and violence are unrelated to the core tenets of communism and are not central to its philosophy or practice.

There have been instances in history where communist regimes have been associated with repression, violence, and human rights abuses, but then again so have many others that choose to follow a different political ideology.

Sorry it's like a male radar thing, I can't control it I was born with toxic masculinity.

I was born this way...

a reply to: iamthevirus

I don't think it's me you need to apologise to iamthevirus.

If it's cross-dressing communists that light your fire or give you a boner.

Well, they do say there is someone out there for everyone.

it's quite common on this planet that a control system would support and idealize communism. come to think of it, all religions like to by-pass self accountability of being an active member of society, just think "you're saved" and all your bad deeds go "poof!"... cosmic law laughs at christians and jesus... doesn't work like that.. haha. but if you knew the bi-baal was anti-christ as is... actually nevermind, that will blow too many minds knowing the truth of invented religion.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iamthevirus

I don't think it's me you need to apologise to iamthevirus.

If it's cross-dressing communists that light your fire or give you a boner.

Well, they do say there is someone out there for everyone.

It was in reference to the act the OP is putting on (wolf in sheep's clothing gig I called it)

A communist dressing up as a Christian to spread communistic hate speech and Statism.

The boner reference is just another one of those things I guess I'd have to give you an Cutepants (where is cutepants anyway?) a long winded elementary explanation to.

Use your imagination

a reply to: iamthevirus

It was in reference to the act the OP is putting on (wolf in sheep's clothing gig I called it)

If you say so.

A communist dressing up as a Christian to spread communistic hate speech and Statism.

You do realise its possible for someone to be both a Christian and a Communist without spreading hate speech.

You see Christianity and Communism are not mutually exclusive ideologies, and individuals can hold beliefs from both systems.

The boner reference is just another one of those things I guess I'd have to give you an Cutepants (where is cutepants anyway?) a long winded elementary explanation to.

Use your imagination

Imagination or otherwise, sorry to disappoint, but i'm not wanting your "boner" iamthevirus, can't speak for "Cutepants".

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iamthevirus

I don't think it's me you need to apologise to iamthevirus.

I like to dom me some commies it's my sexual preferences and you should care about my sexual preferences because I am allowed to force you to.

originally posted by: ltrz2025

So let's read the passages you pick and choose 100 times more maybe that will help...lol Everything in those passages directly relates to what I wrote.

So what happens when 1 billion people give up all they have because they follow your understanding of the passages? Do they just sit around and wait for God?

It is funny you say this...

Not only Jesus is asking his followers to dispose of all their private properties, he is also asking them to abandon their own families. Total sacrifice or nothing. You are interpreting his words like he didn't say such thing, or he meant differently. What kind of God would ask you to sacrifice EVERYTHING you have, even your family, in a figure of speech, or a metaphor, as you want to push? The words of Jesus ARE LITERAL and of extreme importance here, and he is talking to everybody, since he is talking about how to achieve eternal life, that's salvation!...

In response to this passage that really show how warped your thinking in all this actually is...

Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life. 30 Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future..

Peter questioned what he and the other apostles would have in heaven, since they had left everything in their lives behind to follow Him. You are missing the BIG point in Jesus' reply "Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future",

The problem I keep coming back to is you are very limited on the words you wish to discuss here. On follow reading Jesus talks about

So Peter reminded the Lord that they had left everything to follow Him and asks, ” . . . what then will there be for us?” Peter is worried. He seems to be asking, “Have we given enough?” Jesus encouraged Peter and His disciples and then made the statement, the “first will be last; and the last, first.”

So this bold statement is the key to it all that you are leaving out of the total story here.

Jesus then proceeded to explain His statement by using a parable. The parable is about a farmer who hired different men throughout the day to work his field. Each man agreed to be paid a certain amount of money for his work.

But many who are first will be last; and the last, first. For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place; and to those he said, “You too go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.” And so they went. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did the same thing. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing; and he said to them, “Why have you been standing here idle all day long?” (NASB) Matt. 19:30-20:6

When the day was over the farmer paid each worker one denarius. Each one was paid exactly the same amount;there were no exceptions. But the workers who had been laboring since the beginning of the day complained that it was not fair to pay everyone equally. They had worked all day and the last workers had only labored a short time. The farmer answered that how much he paid his workers was his choice.

” Take what is yours and go your way, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?” Thus the last shall be first, and the first last. (NASB) Matt. 20:14-16

Does this sound like a communist or a God that wants everyone to give up everything they have?

The meaning of Jesus’ phrase is that being first or last is not important. There is no advantage to being rich or being the first worker when talking about going to heaven. A person does not get into heaven because he or she works hard or gives away more than others.

Jesus’ point is that we do not get into heaven because we are rich or have worked hard. We do not get into heaven by good works. God will not look at our works – how much or how little we have done. It does not depend on our efforts. It depends only on God and he gives heaven – a denarius – as a reward to each person who believes in Jesus Christ.

You completely warped the whole story while never really finishing the story for the true meaning at the end.

a reply to: iamthevirus

I like to dom me some commies it's my sexual preferences and you should care about my sexual preferences because I am allowed to force you to.

Again if you say so.

As to what you are allowed to do, or have done to you.

Just mind and devise a safeword beforehand.

That way you won't end up walking funny for a week.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iamthevirus

I like to dom me some commies it's my sexual preferences and you should care about my sexual preferences because I am allowed to force you to.

Again if you say so.

As to what you are allowed to do, or have done to you.

Just mind and devise a safeword beforehand.

That way you won't end up walking funny for a week.

We commie dommers get no love I tell ya!

I'm tired of being discriminated against and poked fun at...

This is a serious thing damit!

a reply to: ltrz2025

I am pro-Christ, which makes me whatever label anyone wants to stick on me.

a reply to: Xtrozero

To be honest, I don't see any rebuttal in your post. In fact, according to what I read you completely changed the subject to interpret the words "the first shall be last and the last shall be first", that was never into question and does not refute any of my points. Totally non sequitur. Then you quote a long text that is not from the bible, but an interpretation of some guy on the internet.

This is simple. What is Jesus saying and to who? Again, Matthew 19:21-30:

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”

22 But when the young man heard Jesus tell him to give away his money, he was sad. He didn’t want to do this, because he was very rich. So he left.

23 Then Jesus said to his followers, “The truth is, it will be very hard for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom. 24 Yes, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom."

25 The followers were amazed to hear this. They asked, “Then who can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”

27 Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”

28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life.30 Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future."

Jesus is clearly and literally saying to all their disciples two things:

1.If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor.

2. Eternal life will come to those who have left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow him.

Period. It's literal, clear, and it's the direct translation of the original Bible. And Matthew 19:21-30 is literally where the entire chapter 19 ends. Not much to interpret or find metaphors.

Unless you find a passage of Jesus saying the contrary, or that he didn't mean it like that, you have no real argument to rebute Jesus' own words. Only a very indirect and totally disconnected speculation about another phrase, that makes little sense in my opinion.

For some reason, are going from one excuse (the rich man excuse) to another excuse (the phrase about the last being first), because you want to deny what Jesus is literally saying, but don't find the real argument to do so, and you seem to be making your way out of this as you go.



Then, although this means going away from subject, the phrase "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" is simply a consolation that Jesus is giving his followers, saying that if they give away everything they have today (be last today), they'll be rewarded in the future (be first tomorrow).


P.S: I have answered you quite thoroughly and I don't see from your side any real argument to consider. All I see are non sequitur arguments, and you jumping from one to the other. Then, you can have whatever opinion and belief you want. I respect that, but it's not my issue.

a reply to: iamthevirus

We commie dommers get no love I tell ya!

I'm tired of being discriminated against and poked fun at...

This is a serious thing damit!

Maybe "Grindr" would be more your speed?

Anyhoo possibly best to return to the actual topic of the thread and leave your sexual proclivities aside for the moment, or forever, we could do that too.