The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

a reply to: Astyanax

who needs the devil when you have a communist you know

Im not a christian and not religious in that I follow a religion
id say like freeborn im agnostic

ill deal with all this stuff when I die , if I made the wrong choice in life then so be it.

whats it called revisionism when people like to look at the past and try to amend history to fit with the current philosophy of the day to control the future.

oh look a wiki article on christian communism written by a marxist philosopher
doesnt surprise me

as Ive said before anyone can look to the past and with their philosophy in mind and draw parallels to ancient cultures and their practices and say this is how they must have lived to prove to others a point that brings a philosophy of life into a good light

the simple fact is communism didnt exist as a thought in the minds of mankind
it was Jesus ism or whats it they call it Christianity

you cant just slap communism on the end

where was the attempt to make stoic communism since seneca had similar ideals and thoughts to jesus ?

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
The Golden Rule: "Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you" .... doesn't seem very communist to me.

Why wouldn't? Communism, technically as an idea, is based on the idea of an equalitarian society, where everyone gets the same. It completely coincides with that line.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
Instead, it seems to me that the Jesus of the Bible was actually a libertarian.

He declared not to be worried for earthly governments, but he was quite respectful of the Roman Empire. Although he abhorred the Jewish authorities and even acted violently against them. Then, he condemned wealth accumulation (spoke badly about rich/greedy people) and was telling everyone what to do with their money, private property, and the way they behaved in society. That's not very libertarian, in my opinion.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
Does it really matter what his political views may have been?

It wasn't about his "political" views, but about his economic commandments. His laws in reference to private property, wealth accumulation (capital) and social organization. For Christians, Jesus is God and he came to earth to give the new law (covenant), that is the way to gain salvation and eternal life. For them, he wasn't just a dude with an opinion. So, yes, the commandments of Jesus are of extreme importance to avoid going to hell for Christians. My OP was directed to them.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
The gift of the Golden Rule is really all you need from Christianity, and it works too, unless you are masochistic or something else generally pathological.

The Golden Rule has been part of all faiths and life philosophies on this planet, and has been around thousands of years before Christianity showed up. The Golden Rule is everywhere, including in places where Christianity never arrived. So, basically you are saying that Christianity is useless and that Jesus died for nothing. Not sure Christians will agree with that.

originally posted by: Degradation33
I can make false equivocation too.

Cyrus The Great is a great historical leader. He is credited with many "ahead of his time" things. One of the first truly benevolent rulers. But.. He was a woke liberal. The first woke liberal to run a society.

He freed the slaves, declared that all people had the right to choose their own religion, and established racial equality. These and other decrees were recorded on a baked-clay cylinder in the Akkadian language with cuneiform script.

Based on what's known he shared ideals of racial equality, secular society, and went to ACLU lengths to make sure formerly discriminated against groups were given a safe space.

I don't know what are the basic tenets of being a "woke liberal", because I pay very little attention to the stupidities that have been coming out of the American left for the last 20 years. Just the fact that they don't get that there are two genders and not 72, or that they fantasize that we live in a "patriarchal world" where men are all kings and women all slaves, it's enough for me to look away from what they're doing indefinitely. Who knows, their delusions might be contagious.

But, if Cyrus the Great had the basic tenets of being a "woke liberal" like you say, why would it be a problem to label him like that? Just because that concept didn't exist back then? That's extremely narrow minded, you are acting like a thought police, with no real argument. It's like saying that we cannot call the Egyptian empire Egyptian, because the word and concept of Egyptian didn't exist back then, or because today it means something different. They would need to re-write every history book on earth if this illogical position you bring forward was correct.

It's simple. The basic tenets of communism are: a) no private property, b) no wealth accumulation (capital), and c) a classless/equalitarian society. Jesus preached for those exact three points. So technically, that made him a communist. If you don't agree, why wouldn't you give an argument to prove me wrong, instead of acting like a self-proclaimed judge of what can be said or not?... What you are doing sounds like a very woke liberal thing to do: give no arguments, just ask for cancelation.

Then, Cyrus the Great, from what I can see, looked like a smart fella who knew how differentiate a male from female, and he didn't seem to have an agenda against heterosexual men or to go against the traditional family unit. So, based on the little that I know, I doubt you could call him "woke". See? Arguments are fun to use... don't fear them.

a reply to: ltrz2025

so if we can assign communist label to Jesus based on the fact he did those things , then we can say that technically communists are actually Christians because of those three basic tenets, and communists should be actually be christian first and foremost
and that their philosophy is actually christian in nature and so like everything else has borrowed from what has come before.

and that communists are just not very good at being christians because they arent acknowledging their roots
and instead follow the teachings of marx who clearly just borrowed from Jesus

a reply to: sapien82

First, to be a Christian, you necessarily need to believe in Jesus. That's a main tenet of being a Christian that you are forgetting about. You can be all the communist you want, but if you don't accept Jesus as your God, you are not a Christian.

Then, sure, you can say that communists (in its basic definition) share the same concept regarding private property, wealth accumulation and social organization with Christians. No doubt. That's what my OP was about.

P.S.: Marx created Marxism, which is ONE form of communism, a very modern one. Marxism is 20th century State-focused and its theoretical form included social stages, like the proletariat revolution and the proletariat dictatorship. Its practical application was the sh*t show known as the USSR, which ended up being a pyramid scheme exploiting oppressed slaves. But Marxism was never the point of my OP.

originally posted by: sapien82

Im not a christian and not religious in that I follow a religion
id say like freeborn im agnostic.

Don't be like anyone, be yourself.

I myself am a Godist, I watched like 100 videos and listened to others and read some books but there is one thing I learned in my quest to find out what/who is God and I'd have to say the Christians got it right.

See out of all those books and videos no one could explain what/who is God, it seems everyone is at a loss to describe it...

That is until opened the Christians book and they said right there that God is Jesus!

Mystery solved... I was relieved, I mean its so simple don't these naysayers read? says it right there.

I can work with that, totally understandable and who better can one human (myself) relate to than another made of flesh human?

Sooo I'm a Godist, don't know much about Christianity but I totally believe them because it is logical (Jesus is God)

a reply to: iamthevirus

Aye but whose truth is the right truth ?

SO many came before with similar ideas , how can they all be wrong ?
humans worshipped the sun and the moon before organised religion came along and cleansed them of their pagan beliefs and replaced it with their monotheistic ideals
using jesus as the figurehead

I dunno ive taken a lot of psychedelics and I think there is definitely something going on , I just dont know exactly what
Scotland is awash with religious culture and also awash with pagan culture so they cant all be right and they cant all be wrong , I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle possibly
but I cant decide , Ill just do what I think is right without harming others
and live as good a life as I can like the saints and jesus , not make it a habit to think I owe it all to some devine figurehead sitting aloft awaiting my judgement on the day my flesh sack gives out

I am myself , I suppose I like jesus there "know thyself"
I think I know myself pretty well

heard he is quite the forgiving type so cant all be bad if I didnt get it quite right
and if the hindus and buddhists are right then ill get another shot at it next time

who knows
i like to align with JBS Haldane in that there are so many competing theories none can really sum it all up the miracle that is life our brains arent that great

“Now, my own suspicion is that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. I have read and heard many attempts at a systematic account of it, from materialism and theosophy to the Christian system or that of Kant, and I have always felt that they were much too simple. I suspect that there are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamed of, or can be dreamed of, in any philosophy. That is the reason why I have no philosophy myself, and must be my excuse for dreaming.” ― J. B. S. Haldane, Possible Worlds

best not to get bogged down in the details and just enjoy it while it lasts.

a reply to: sapien82

The truth is... life is wonderful, it's a celebration.

Make it wonderful for others too.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Aye Im trying , isnt it the lords work to work in the service of others ?

I spend my free time organising the basketball community here in the southside of Glasgow
we are getting quite big now 130+ members
young men ages 15 - 45
really happy how we have grown and can support each other

a reply to: iamthevirus

The truth is people have different perspectives and experiences, and what one person considers wonderful, another may not.

Ultimately, whether life is wonderful or not is a matter of personal opinion and perspective.

Some poor little child forced to walk say 20 miles each day to collect and carry clean water back home in blistering heat that will be married off to some old man the first chance that arises to go on to be used as a breading cow might not consider life to be so wonderful.

What I'm trying to say is that the wonder in life pretty much depends on where you are standing.

a reply to: sapien82

That's an admirable thing to do sapien82.

Giving young adults something to do early on in life can pretty much define what they will go on to do later in life as a general rule of thumb.

a reply to: andy06shake

Aye man , it is rewarding and makes me happy to see the young guys have something fun and constructive to do
we all get on like a house on fire.

I wonder if jesus would have been a hooper

Sorry for drifting off topic. but i guess it has its parallels
our community is one for all and all for one , we give our fees to the greater good
so I guess its communistic of us and sort of like what we are discussing

aye well

originally posted by: Terpene

yes, the current form of government has already fallen pry to the market, once meant to protect their citizens from harmful business is now protecting the profit of enterprises, you are at best an asset at worst a liability...

it was great for us, but we that profited off are still a minority, so I don't really see the greatness in it even if I'm on the wining side.
my compassion tells me I'm not really winning anything, when there is a majority barely scraping the barrel, except maybe winning an award in looking the other way.

I don't think we earn our standard of living, it implies those dying of hunger deserve theirs as well. the world is not a separate place, we're all in it together, and real compassion doesn't end at borders.

I don't think you been looking around much. Capitalism has moved more people out of poverty than any other form of economics. Over the last 30 years 800 million Chinese have been moved out of poverty into middle class. That is why you see the Chinese invading the world everywhere you go on vacation. It is not only China... I have read that the change in poverty around the world in the last 30 years is one of the greatest feats of mankind that no one knows about unless they look. This wasn't accomplished through socialized programs or communism. Even though Christianity is the largest charity group in the world it takes Capitalism to actually solve the issue. So are you just going to brood your whole life thinking you don't deserve to be born in a place that you can actually be successful?

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: andy06shake

Aye man , it is rewarding and makes me happy to see the young guys have something fun and constructive to do
we all get on like a house on fire.

I wonder if jesus would have been a hooper

Sorry for drifting off topic. but i guess it has its parallels
our community is one for all and all for one , we give our fees to the greater good
so I guess its communistic of us and sort of like what we are discussing

aye well

I have talked about helping one's community many times. One example I have given is that for every 15 to 20 households in LA if they got together and took care of just one homeless each there would be no homeless in LA, as example. Wouldn't
t be hard to do, but they are very liberal non-religious mostly and so talk more than do. In Portland they say they are a homeless and illegal immigrant sanctuary city... well until they come and start getting too close to the people living there. Then the locals call the police they wanted to defund...Seems liberals in general expect the Government to do it all without getting their own hands dirty. My wife who is Catholic goes to a food bank twice a week to build meals for the old and poor in our area. Nothing big but boy if everyone did something like that, we would not need the so-called Government help. As I move into retirement, I will most likely donate my time to worthy causes.

What people do as charity has nothing to do with communism. It is pretty much anti-communism...

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: iamthevirus

Aye Im trying , isnt it the lords work to work in the service of others ?

I spend my free time organising the basketball community here in the southside of Glasgow
we are getting quite big now 130+ members
young men ages 15 - 45
really happy how we have grown and can support each other

We all do what we can even if it is only kind words and gestures, it all comes back around man and you're able to do more.

Gotta watch out for them party crashing commies though...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iamthevirus

The truth is people have different perspectives and experiences, and what one person considers wonderful, another may not.

Ultimately, whether life is wonderful or not is a matter of personal opinion and perspective.

Some poor little child forced to walk say 20 miles each day to collect and carry clean water back home in blistering heat that will be married off to some old man the first chance that arises to go on to be used as a breading cow might not consider life to be so wonderful.

What I'm trying to say is that the wonder in life pretty much depends on where you are standing.

Sounds like a monumental task... focusing on the negatives leaves no room for much else, get trapped in it.

Can't cure the world, it's better to just "always look on the bright side of life"

Push that stuff, hold that up, run around with it and be happy...

And don't forget to laugh! I swear laughing is going to be the end of me, actually I don't think there's any better way to go out.
Don't just stand there screaming, go buy that kid a bike...

a reply to: iamthevirus

Sounds like a monumental task

What does?

a reply to: ltrz2025

Wow lots of pages on this thread.

Interpreting the Bible at face value seems most unwise.

You should probably assume it all is similes, or parables, or fables, or allegories.

The verses about giving your property, I think refer to one’s body.

And giving your body to the poor i believe means which spirit somebody will cause to possess their body. Life or death.

Now there do seem to be verses of financial similes, such as turning water into wine, or finding a fish with money it’s mouth, which seem to be about one who is operating in a capitalistic society.

We still doin this? lol What a toxic wastland.... yeesh haha
If yall want me to jump back in and lend a hand i will just shout. Or is there something I need to reply to, for clarification?
[I havent read the thread and do not want to unless its absolutely neccesary. someone let me whos participating and Ill read and jump back in]


Im thankful for this OP and this thread. THIS HAS PRODUCED "FRUIT" ALREADY! Praise God!

Jesus is not communist!!!!
That is all, carry on.



I even added a star for ya, ltrz2025. This produced fruit and it is beautiful what this caused to happen.
You cant just stomp out the Fire and Call of the Lord. He is SOVERIEGN.

With the Alknowing God as Master you find your way on your own.