The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

When you read the Bible, two things become quite clear:

1. Jesus required a communist way of life for those seeking Christian salvation.

2. Jesus condemned wealth and property.


1. The communist way of life

Jesus promoted communism by example. Jesus and his followers lived communal lives that were dedicated to voluntary poverty. Some examples:

“Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers… And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.” (Acts 2:41–46)

“Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.” (Acts 4: 32–35)


2. Jesus condemned wealth and property.

The fact that Jesus unambiguously condemned wealth and property is irrefutable. Some examples:

And Jesus said: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

“Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.’” (Matthew 19:23,24)

“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” (Matthew 6:24) The term mammon refers to the evil influence of wealth as a false object of worship.


Conclusion

This is NOT my opinion, these are the words of the very bible. Any "Christian" claiming that what I shared here are lies, then they are denying the word of Jesus. Any person who call him/herself a "Christian" and, knowing the law, does not live in a "communist way" is a Christian apostate and, by their own doctrine, are condemning themselves to "hell".

And, if you have anything to say against what I've simply transcribed, I hope that you are writing from a borrowed phone or computer, because Christ commanded you to sell ALL your property, so you should not have any.


Best to all.

Looks like no one's biting.
And I can't say I blame them.
a reply to: ltrz2025

a reply to: ltrz2025

The church isn’t a building, it’s the congregation. People mistake that principle.

As far as reading the tea leaves, you have to remember the text is translated from Hebrew for the Old Testament and Greek for the new. Aside from loss in translation you have to remember that even those languages were used different way back when. Just like when we read Shakespeare which was even more recent.

Finally, the Bible says we have to follow the rule of man just as we do for the lord.

Ive seen the case parts of Jesus’s life was socialist, but the same could be said for any altruist philanthropist. That doesn’t mean we have to be. Some people are charitable, especially religious figures.

originally posted by: Lucius Driftwood
Looks like no one's biting.
And I can't say I blame them.
a reply to: ltrz2025

Not really sure what exactly you think that you need to "bite". All that is required is that you read. Now you know the law, and it's your Christian obligation to obey it.

(Romans 2:12-13)
"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."

If you know the law and don't obey it, then you are an apostate and going to Satan's. I can understand your cognitive dissonance, and you can wine or complain, or write indirect comments all you want, but that won't change the facts.

Much love

a reply to: CriticalStinker

A true Christian who lives by the law would consider your point of view completely heretic and even Satanic, since you are relativizing/questioning the word of Bible, which is the core of the faith.

The fragments of the Bible that I've shared are quite clear and literal in all the languages that you can find around. The fact that you are trying to relativize the law with your "personal opinion" (which is about doubting the Bible), makes you an apostate, sorry bro. I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but if you are a true Christian, you have to.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Finally, the Bible says we have to follow the rule of man just as we do for the lord.

Exactly. The United States of America is NOT a Christian nation. It's a secular nation.

But, if Jesus were "King", we'd be Communist.

a reply to: ltrz2025
1. Jesus required a communist way of life for those seeking Christian salvation.

2. Jesus condemned wealth and property.

1. No, he didn't.

2. He condemned the LOVE of wealth and property, not wealth and property.

Not sure what it is you're trying to accomplish with this, but you failed.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Finally, the Bible says we have to follow the rule of man just as we do for the lord.

Finally, the Bible says we have to follow the rule of man just as we do for the lord.
Exactly. The United States of America is NOT a Christian nation. It's a secular nation. But, if Jesus were "King", we'd be Communist.

This makes no sense. Does the US constitution forces you to have property and live in a capitalistic way? No, it doesn't, it's your own choice. You could live like a "communist" and it would be totally legal in the US. Or is it "illegal" to sell all your property and give the money to the needy?... In fact, there is people living like that in the US and all over the world.

Jesus believed in charity which is giving of what you have freely.

This *not* communism although it can look very close. Communism is a system of government where you have nothing and own nothing. When you have nothing and own nothing, then you really can't give anything because nothing of yourself belongs to you. You can't even say that you can give of your labor because everything you produce belongs to the state, not to you.

You effectively don't even belong to yourself in a communist society.

The closest you can get to what Jesus preached would be to go into a communal agreement with other Christians and voluntary agree to have and own everything in common. Many early Christian congregations did this, but it wasn't communist because they were not compelled to do it. They chose it of their own free will.

Some anabaptist communities still come very close to this style today. It's a hard one, but if that's what you desire for yourself, I am all for it. I would prefer people take that route than to seek to turn the government into a patriarchal overlord taking from all in the name of God.

The OP's assumption is that Communism is actually the values the bible is talking about. When you look at Communism on paper it looks like it would be a good system, but when humans get into the mix it ends up becoming a horrendous event.

Communism replaces money power with positional power and what makes it worst is for 95% of the population there is no way out when you are at the bottom of that positional power. With communism you get 100s of layers of positional power with each one taking as much advantage as they can over everyone below them as that is all they have to work with. The higher up the positional power ladder they are the more they can take from everyone below them. This is why back in the USSR a General with little money lived in a 2-million-dollar mansion, had a stretch limo and driver to take him everywhere and could eat caviar 3 times a day if he so choosed.

I think what Jesus was saying was no other power will be put before him, and greed of money is one of those. Does the OP think his points are saying that Musk now has a one-way ticket to hell because his stocks shot up in value? It looks like Jesus was upset with the “den of robbers” that of greedy merchants who cheated their buyers if they could for the love of money, especially during the feasts when pilgrims from far away crowded the temple area. The whole system of Communism evolves into a sea of greed as everyone takes advantage of all they can.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Jesus believed in charity which is giving of what you have freely.

And Jesus said: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

Does it read like Jesus is giving you an option? At no point he tells you that you are free to choose whatever you want, he is pointing you the way to heaven.

originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: ketsuko
Jesus believed in charity which is giving of what you have freely.

And Jesus said: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

Does it read like Jesus is giving you an option?

That isn't describing communism.

And, yes, that is indeed an option.

You could follow him without doing that according to that verse, but you wouldn't be considered perfect.

Who's perfect?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
The OP's assumption is that Communism is actually the values the bible is talking about. When you look at Communism on paper it looks like it would be a good system

Not talking about the Soviet political system created in the 20th century, that's a modern political deformation. I'm talking about communism as the ECONOMIC choice of living without private property, sharing everything.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I think what Jesus was saying....

It's not about what "you think", but what the bible says. Unless you think your salvation depends on what you "think", good luck with that.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Who denies you the capacity to sell all your property and give the money to the needy?...

The government doesn't really take kindly to homelessness, and society doesn't take kindly to a welfare state. The government likes the taxes that monied people with property pay.

My sister lived in a Christian Commune. I'm not saying the government forbids it. But the commune owned the property and paid taxes on it. They owned the automobiles too and expected their members to work regular jobs and pay rent and make car payments.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

First, if someone, or the commune you talk about, owned a car or a property, that already goes against Jesus' commandments. They have to sell it all, and give the money to the needy. Then, I can understand that having "property" in the USA makes it "easier", but that's still doesn't make it ILLEGAL to live like a communist in the United States. So, the point you were making was wrong. You break no human law by following Jesus' commands. But you go straight to hell if you don't follow Jesus' laws.

And I (Jesus) tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous wealth, so that when it fails they may receive you into the eternal dwellings. (Luke 16:9, ESV)


And no I'm not going to argue with this. I just wanted to add this for your benefit, author.


Also,
The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things, and they ridiculed him. (Luke 16:14, ESV)

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this earth". Hence why Jesus didn't have a problem with people paying taxes, ie rendering to Caesar what is Caesars. Surely a communist would seek to destroy the system? Jesus also said, "The poor you will always have with you". Not exactly a cry for social justice. You can create a perfect world of equity and equality according to your understanding of communism, and everybody still dies and goes to hell because they never understood it was about being born again as they were slaves to sin. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all incredibly rich people. Their wealth was part of GOD's blessing. But it was never an IDOL. As Paul said, The LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all kinds of evil. You can be financially rich and obedient servant of Jesus without worshipping Mammon. The rich young man wanted to worship both.

Your example of Jesus condemning wealth and property is based on one encounter. Jesus sought to reveal to the rich young man where treasure lay. Consider the response Jesus had with Zaccheus. Zaccheus was rich, gave half his goods to the poor insisted he never cheated anyone and if he done, had he would pay them back fourfold. You can find the two conversations in Luke 18 & 19. 2 rich men, two different mindsests, to different conversations, two different outcomes.
You have made some very bold and telling condemnations on people and where they're at. That is a dangerous place to be, my friend. GOD looks for generosity of heart and kindness to others. He has no problem with riches. He wants you to honor Him with your riches, and make certain that riches are not your god. He also taught us to be careful how we JUDGE.

How do you feel about the disciple Paul? A bit late to the game, but he wrote much of the theology for the established churches in the known world.
a reply to: ltrz2025

a reply to: ltrz2025

No one is like Yeshua. Deep inside no one is really capable of true altruism. Communism fails because of human nature, greed and selfishness. These are nothing like the ideal we should strive toward.

I don't think anyone needs explained to them how because of just the way people are Communism fails. If everyone was like Yeshua, communism would work. For now, it doesn't because there are too many greedy terrible people in the world. In order for it to work, people would have to do things to benefit society as a whole out of the kindness of their hearts, genuinely, every single person and then everything would be free to anyone who needed it. Think about all the food waste in America and other first world countries and then juxtapose that with those starving in 3rd world countries. What if we freely shared our abundance of food?

Currently the vast majority of people are trapped in what I call the matrix or the globalist financial system. Too busy working jobs for corporations in order to pay bills and survive. This is a satanic system and its purpose is to distract people, keep them busy and force them into servitude. It's a topic for another day but that is why it is so difficult to live as the Bible suggests.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Hmmm.... I would suggest that you are conflating communism with communalism and/or monasticism. Each function on similar principles and values, but for different motivations and purposes.

Jesus spoke to his Apostles and disciples --

Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul...

Jesus spoke to their specific time and circumstances, when He was temporarily incarnate, fulfilling His earthly ministry.

There is much we can learn and apply from these principles and values for our communities, and we have and we do, but must be applied reasonably and practically, according to circumstances and purposes.

originally posted by: ltrz2025

And Jesus said: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

Does it read like Jesus is giving you an option?

I love the logic loops those with zero faith try to pull and once again what you post is out of context for the story, so maybe this will help you understand.

Lets take a close look at the context of the whole story of this rich young man in Matthew 19:16-31.

1) He is a devout Jew
2) He is seeking to please God by keeping the law
3) He believes he will inherit eternal life if God is pleased with him
4) He is seeking assurance of eternal life, having a right relationship with God

How does Jesus respond?
1) He tells the young man that if he wants to find life he needs to keep the commandments. This is true. If a person keeps all the commandments perfectly for a lifetime they will inherit eternal life. But this is impossible for human beings. Only Jesus ever lived a perfect life.

2) Jesus lists the commandments that reflect a persons relationship with others and the young man confirms that he has kept these. But the man still has no peace with God do he asks Jesus what else he needs to do.

3) Jesus then tells him to sell all his possessions and give all he has to the poor. Why did Jesus focus on his wealth. Because that wealth had broken the first 2 commandments. The wealth had taken first place in his life instead of God. He had idolized his wealth instead of worshipping God.