Kremlin Urges Global Response Over Shelling of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant

a reply to: MykeNukem

Ukraine needs energy, Russia needs to keep the noose tight?

The threat of a nuclear meltdown is more than enough for any side to play with.

Interesting that they didnt care when they took possession of the plant, seem to remember there was some shelling and shooting around the plant then as well.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Interesting that they didnt care when they took possession of the plant, seem to remember there was some shelling and shooting around the plant then as well.

Good observation.

Except they did care:

Russia has been consistent in their requests for months now:

August 14th, 2022:
Russia Asks Ukraine to ‘Stop Shelling’ Nuclear Plant, Let International Inspectors In
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Maybe the shelling is more intense now, causing the threat level to rise?

The UN has called on Ukraine to stop doing it, so I'm wondering if they have monitors there?

Yet, the MSM is still claiming it's Russia, even though the UN and all past reports, disagree.

a reply to: MykeNukem

I mean when they drove Ukrainian forces from around the plant, just because they wanted observers after shooting and shelling the area doesnt negate they also did stupid stuff around the plant.

Just like they did stupid stuff around Chernobyl.

This isnt an I support ukraine statement just an observation of the hypocrisy and short memory of some.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: MykeNukem

I mean when they drove Ukrainian forces from around the plant, just because they wanted observers after shooting and shelling the area doesnt negate they also did stupid stuff around the plant.

Just like they did stupid stuff around Chernobyl.

This isnt an I support ukraine statement just an observation of the hypocrisy and short memory of some.

I don't support either one, I was just pointing out the inconsistency of MSM reporting on the subject.

Also trying to figure out where the hypocrisy comes in?

Russia has been requesting a UN Inspector since August. And they still are.

That seems consistent to me, not hypocritical.

Agreed about Russia doing "stupid stuff". I have no doubt they have and will do "stupid stuff". Ukraine will too, especially for Western/NATO involvement and assistance.

Who else sees this BS ??

It's a clear threat to Europe. Where the F#K is NATO !!!!!!

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a reply to: MykeNukem

The hypocrisy is from those getting into a tizzy now, but back early during the invasion there was video of russians firing on this same plant and it was brushed off as disinformation.

Its a war things are going to go boom around buildings nothing we can do about that, all we can hope is no oopsies happen.

If Russia didnt invade this would not be at risk.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: MykeNukem

The hypocrisy is from those getting into a tizzy now, but back early during the invasion there was video of russians firing on this same plant and it was brushed off as disinformation.

Its a war things are going to go boom around buildings nothing we can do about that, all we can hope is no oopsies happen.

If Russia didnt invade this would not be at risk.

I'm in a tizzy and being hypocritical? Please point out anything I've said that would indicate that? SMH

Was there UN verification of the Russian's firing on the plant? Other proof? No? That's probably why it was brushed off.

There are 2 sides here, I like to look at both and point out how they are both scumbags. Blaming Russia for everything that ever happens, past, present and future, is not rational. That's a tizzy and hypocritical IMO.

Ukraine and Zelensky aren't the good guys. They are being used as puppets by the West IMO. That doesn't mean I think Russia is good, the two aren't mutually inclusive, necessarily.

Easy choice of who to support (if you really wish to support one side or the other)...

Which side is trying to AVOID getting NATO into a potential nuclear war with Russia...and which side is trying to PUSH NATO into a potential nuclear war with Russia?

a reply to: MykeNukem
The other thing that is botherng me about this-Both Russia and Ukraine could get "benefits" if there is a serious attack on ZPP.
Both sides may see those benefits as worth seeking out.

Potential Russian benefits-
Claiming the attack is a Ukrainian/NATO escalation,they can then declare general mobilisation on the back of the new wave of support from the populace.
Worryingly,there are Russians on telegram with letters they claim state they are being mobilisied early January under the "general" mobilisation laws..The general part is that it allows the state to pull pretty much anyone into conscription,not like the recent "partial"mobilisation which supposedly exempted many.

Potential Ukrainian benefits-
Claiming the attack is Russia going mental,they instantly get more advanced weapons of all kinds from NATO,fast tracked to the war effort.

I bet both sides have gamed it out.
My guess is that both have looked at doing a false flag.

Hopefuly they have both decided its not worth the collateral damage,but that would be a de escalation-and we are not seeing much of that so far in the war.

Im beginning to think Putin is upInThisB!tCh arguing theoretical bukake.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: MykeNukem
The other thing that is botherng me about this-Both Russia and Ukraine could get "benefits" if there is a serious attack on ZPP.
Both sides may see those benefits as worth seeking out.

Agreed, they could both potentially benefit from such false-flags or misinformation. I'm looking at who would benefit the most and also, who the evidence, so far, points to.

Potential Russian benefits-
Claiming the attack is a Ukrainian/NATO escalation,they can then declare general mobilisation on the back of the new wave of support from the populace.
Worryingly,there are Russians on telegram with letters they claim state they are being mobilisied early January under the "general" mobilisation laws..The general part is that it allows the state to pull pretty much anyone into conscription,not like the recent "partial"mobilisation which supposedly exempted many.

Hearing of a "general" mobilisation in January gives me a chill (pun intended), I've been saying Winter of Death, that kinda fits.

Potential Ukrainian benefits-
Claiming the attack is Russia going mental,they instantly get more advanced weapons of all kinds from NATO,fast tracked to the war effort.

Yep, and their recent lies to the Western/NATO community are evidence of that view.

I bet both sides have gamed it out.
My guess is that both have looked at doing a false flag.

Hopefuly they have both decided its not worth the collateral damage,but that would be a de escalation-and we are not seeing much of that so far in the war.

I bet they have too. False flags and disinfo/misinfo are the new and accepted, even, cheer-leaded, "new normal".

Hopefully cooler heads prevail and Ukraine and the MSM quits trying to drag NATO into WWIII.

Russian forces have held the Zaporizhzhia plant for months now.

It's pretty hard to believe Russia would shell It's own soldiers for propaganda purposes...

Now is Ukraine capable of something like that?
Well...

Translation: For the children.
I could reference stuff like this all afternoon. This certainly doesn't absolve Russia. But it's pretty obvious at this point one side isn't exactly adhering to proper rules of engagement, and being invaded doesn't give you permission to be inhumane...

a reply to: JAY1980

Wouldn't you want to get payback if your children had been bombed by Russia? It's only human I think.

It's pretty obvious that it's Ukraine doing the shelling.

Russia doing it make no sense at all.

a reply to: VladimirPoutine

Im beginning to think

First time for everything....I suppose.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Neither did Russia invading Ukraine, either?

As for who is doing this, I don't know.

The greatest threat concerning the power plant is not the shelling, per se, the reactor itself is pretty much immune to anything up to and including a missile strike directly to the containment vessel.

The greatest threat derives from the possibility than continued shelling could damage the power supply to to reactor cooling systems, to the extent that their backup systems are unable to keep the the fuel in the reactor from overheating and causing a meltdown.

Alternatively, a direct strike on the spent fuel cooling facilities could result in what could be likened to a "dirty bomb" detonation scenario, resulting in the (limited) spread of highly radioactive materials over a relatively small area (determined by the raduis of the blast from the ordinance used and prevailing winds).


Ukraine does not posess weapons capable of cracking the reactor containment vessel.

Russia does.

Ukraine does have the means to strike the spent fuel facilities, as does Russia.

And both parties have the means to severely damage the power supply to the plant, as we have seen, which could result in a disaster of global consequence.

The question is; which side would be willing to do such a thing?

Is Ukraine suicidal enough?

Is Russia psychotic enough?

a reply to: MykeNukem

The reactors in that facility as well as the buildings are American GE plans.

it would take a pretty big round to mess with the reactor itself, like a few bunker busters, the lid alone in 100 of tons and the buildings themself are hardened agents attacks and even aircraft slamming into them.

the problem is if they store the spent fuel on site.

THAT could be a HUUUGE problem if somehow a round lands in the cool pools and spreads the now shattered rods that are SUPER radioactive to the point they glow blue just sitting there.

i would bet you the IAEA had them SCRAM the reactors and finish the shutdown so they aren't running if something happened.


Russia talks about a dirty bomb but they are in control of the regions biggest reactors, not like they don't have their own but the Russians could take the rods and refine, separate and enrich the uranium and than Russia would have a nuke that looks like it was made in Ukraine in an American reactor.

you can tell where a bomb comes from because every reactor has little differences and depending on the extraction and enrichment process.


or just drain the spent fuel pools and fill them with regular explosives and that area of earth of off limits for essentially forever

A nice silly question that wants looking at. When the shelling took place which way was the wind blowing because if you didn't know, that's the way the "fall out" "melt down crap" would go. Silly isn't it. Wind blowing East? It would benefit Ukraine as the fall out would all go to the East over Russia. Wind going West it would benefit Russia as the fall out would go that way and like Chernobyl, if it came West then Europe and the UK would get it. That is of course if the reactor was to pop.