Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

Russia has Tank factories. Russia isn’t some small Caribbean island or something.

Clear recent photos of new mobilization. Also Ukrainian sources etc confirming movement across the border and in Belarus etc.

Even if we think Russia is weakened, they still have a lot of capability and natural resources to support a long duration war.

The constant disinfo gets old.

Like people harping daily for months about Russia running out of missiles etc.

Then we get these weekly footages/updates from Ukraine about their electricity getting knocked out. Having to conserve energy and be in black out at times throughout the day/night.

I get it though if you’re Ukrainian. But even then I wouldn’t be going around daily underestimating it.

It’s better seeing it from both sides and there you’ll get a better picture on the situation instead of just one side obviously.

a reply to: Imhere

Are you saying they have more than one tank factory? I only know about Uralvagonzavod.

a reply to: Cutepants

That one is their tank production facility. They have other defense related factories, but those produce other products for the Russian military.

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13 January Update

* The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on January 13 that Russian forces seized Soledar on the evening of January 12.

* Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line while Ukrainian forces reportedly continued counteroffensive operations near Kreminna.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations around Soledar, Bakhmut, and Avdiivka.

* Ukrainian Intelligence reported that Russian forces seek to raise personnel numbers to two million by an unspecified date.

More at URL above.

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Russia says it destroyed 4 Bradley IFVs ....

Only problem with this is, Ukraine dont yet have any 4 Bradley IFVs

next level fairytale

At work so only got the basics on this new report I just heard from the BBC Radio 2....................

Governor of (possibly or something similar) Mykoliev announced take off of 17 Russian heavy bombers. Said to expect something this afternoon from this.

UK to send Challenger 2 Tanks to Ukraine.

Britain has not yet officially confirmed the number of tanks it will be sending to Ukraine, but it’s believed to be about a dozen Challenger 2’s

www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: alldaylong

This is great news. The Challenger 2 tank is the Apache of tanks, up there with the best tanks in the word next to the Leopard 2. I'm surprised the UK would give such a highly sophisticated tech and equipment to Ukrainian forces such as this. Put it this way this is the main battle tank in the British Army and only one has been destroyed in combat.

This is a game changer and I doubt any Russian tank could out compete these tanks.

a reply to: deviant300

Bet the Russian's will be desperate to capture a Challenger 2 and share it's remains with China

Has the ground frozen yet btw? Eastern Ukraine is slightly below freezing right now but it will warm up soon.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Let hope the Ukrainians are trained well enough to operate her and not get captured.

originally posted by: deviant300
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Let hope the Ukrainians are trained well enough to operate her and not get captured.

Haha yes deviant300 and the cynic in me says "don't worry about the tankers and training, they are British lads inside." Wouldn't surprise me if there tanks are operated by the British.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

That would surprise me, a lot!

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

They may be. That the West is willing to give Ukraine Chall-2's and Leo-2's makes me wonder if they've found something better to kill tanks than another tank.

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a reply to: Cutepants

Bit of new snow south of Kharkiv and in the Donbas. Not been that cold there yet, the frozen crust may not support heavy vehicles.

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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I think the donating of tanks to Ukraine takes us to another level of danger , it should be seen as an escalation and a signal of intent I think and a reason not to be cheerful.... part 3.

a reply to: gortex

I think we're already at a high level of danger.

Drive commentary on tank transfers

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a reply to: gortex

I support Ukraine, but thinking about it, it does amount to an escalation which could indeed be dangerous.

They will be as good as Brits (if not Brits) as they've been trained up by Ben Wallace every year since 2014.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

They may be. That the West is willing to give Ukraine Chall-2's and Leo-2's makes me wonder if they've found something better to kill tanks than another tank.

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Yes it does make more sense and in many ways tanks are yesterdays tool, yet on the eastern front who knows. Surely the Ukrainian's need hundreds of tanks to make a real difference. This has got to be symbolic. During the 2nd lebanon war the Israeli Merkava tanks supposedly cutting edge at that time performed very badly due to Russian supplied anti tank weapons. Where are these Russian anti tank weapons now? Why can Ukraine advance with tanks when the proven tech is out there? Something doesn't make sense here.