America just blew up Russia's gas pipeline, and admitted it.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Flatcoat


So he doesn't have any evidence either?

What evidence do you have that Russia did it?

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

He asks a pretty good opening question: why would Putin blow up his own pipeline?

Funny, anytime something happens to the USA there is a lot on this website that screams false flag operation.

But Russia responsible for shooting down MH-17, lied about it. Russia responsible for killing people in a mall with a missile strike with no clear military objective. Russia that fired bomb its own POW camp to kill POW’s, and lied about it. Russia who seems to be hell bent on nuclear war since that start of the Ukrainian invasion. Now Russia “wouldn’t” blow up their pipeline in a false flag to get what Russia has been threatening all along?

And did they really “blowup” the pipeline? Or just punch some holes in in?

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Flatcoat


So he doesn't have any evidence either?

What evidence do you have that Russia did it?

None, which is why I have never accused russia of doing it.

originally posted by: WhatItIs
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

He asks a pretty good opening question: why would Putin blow up his own pipeline?

Funny, anytime something happens to the USA there is a lot on this website that screams false flag operation.

But Russia responsible for shooting down MH-17, lied about it. Russia responsible for killing people in a mall with a missile strike with no clear military objective. Russia that fired bomb its own POW camp to kill POW’s, and lied about it. Russia who seems to be hell bent on nuclear war since that start of the Ukrainian invasion. Now Russia “wouldn’t” blow up their pipeline in a false flag to get what Russia has been threatening all along?

And did they really “blowup” the pipeline? Or just punch some holes in in?

Who told you these things? The same people that told you Jussie Smollett was attacked by Maga in Chicago?
Or was it the same people that pushed the Russiagate story for years.
Or was it the same people that told you Kyle Rittenhouse “crossed state lines and murdered black people?
Or was it the same people that told you Michael Brown had his hands up?
I bet it was the same people that told you your vax doesn’t work unless I get mine.

Nuclear War is on the line and your are begging to be lied to.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Whether Putin decides to commit virtual (and likely, literal) nation and personal suicide by launching any kind of nuclear attack is a decision entirely up to him.

To try and blame Biden, the US, NATO, the EU, or any person or political entity other than Putin is blatant and obvious propagandistic misdirection.

It is no more valid, or acceptable, than a domestic abuser attempting to blame his victim for causing the assault.


And those who would act as apologists for such reprehensible behavior are, or should be, accountable for their actions.


If invasion of a sovereign nation cannot go unanswered by resistance, if freedom and self-determination are of so little valued that a life on one's knees is preferred to facing the mere threat (and make no mistake, it as yet, only a threat) of nuclear terrorism,


Then of what value, or meaning, is an "election"?


ETA:

Bombers? Putin really things that bombers, even nuclear armed bombers, are going to be seriously any kind of threat? Those old birds are under constant surveillance. Their every movement tracked, most likely in real-time. And they will be plucked out of the sky the moment they cross into Ukrainian air space.

This isn't 1950 any more.

I think referring to supplemental information as “propagandistic misdirection” is some NewSpeak garbage.

To say that our country; our corrupt leaders; our corrupt global institutions are, in no way, responsible is a blatant denial of reality.

Your analogy is not accurate, either. It is more akin to a sibling swatting the other sibling after being poked and bothered, over and over, for an excessive period of time with no actual mitigation.

Your analogy denies one half of the entire story. That doesn’t mean you have to believe it, but to call it “propagandistic misdirection” is just you choosing your own flavor of propaganda.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Yeah, what is up with Tucker these days. Lots of hidden loyalties being flushed out into the open, it seems.

Cheers

Don’t confused loyalties with logic. Tucker seems to chase the facts. Like everything I build on his research and come to my own conclusions.

a reply to: bastion


Truth? Entertainment? Truth is anything, no matter how improbable, and regardless of facts, that the víctor says it is. Everything else, is entertainment.. real news, if it ever existed, disappeared long, long ago. Perception will guarantee its folly... and evil, it's death...

a reply to: Nickn3


Did he or russia ever find any 'facts' about those US funded nazi bio weapon labs?



Those aren't 'facts' tucker follows, it's fake russian propaganda.

People are so used to spouting aload of bollocks, i dont think they realise they're talking about NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
This does not bode well at all with putin moving the nukes forward

I'm not a putin supporter or a Zelenski supporter

But I have often said continuous pushing will force his hand

We could have avoided a lot of this I believe, maybe not , maybe this was the only logical end to the cold war between Russia and The rest of the western world

I pray for measured responses , I pray putin does not use those nukes and I pray that if he does the western powers use extreme caution in response.

The world counts on it

We/us, the west will continue to push and goad putin to every limit. There is no offramp.

The media machine hasn't changed, it's still doing the same yellow tactics as they do on Trump and anyone to the right of socialism.

It has been infinitely amusing to see posters, socks and the like as well, to jump all in on the manufactured consent for not only war but the literal dumping of money into the pit of Ukraine....minus percentages for the big guy and the rest.

This^^^ Well said!

Why would Russia blow up it's own pipeline?

Potential.

People might say it makes no sense for Russia to destroy it's own infrastructure yet it's fully possible it allowed the pipes to fail. I've been thinking along the lines of the probability of two lines failing in the same area as slim but what if you wanted them to fail in that location?

I doubt it would be that difficult to do.

Why would Russia allow it's infrastructure to fail?

Those pipes were never getting turned back on. Russian gas under Putin will never be sold in the West again and regime change doesn't look promising in the near future.

Imo Russia is nuts to think it can win in any sort of scenario, should've addressed those treaty proposals Putin sent out Nov last year... Maybe if the world told him he's bonkers back then?

a reply to: Klassified


How exactly is the west 'goading' putin into ending the human race?

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a reply to: Nickn3

Except one doesn't get to selectively choose and discard facts to bolster preconceived notions.

Something's up with Tucker, and it isn't promising.

Cheers

originally posted by: loveguy

Opportunity is a strange way to describe the *benefit* of no gas deliveries to Europe with winter looming.

Insane


Its like going cold turkey when one is a alcoholic, painful at first, but better off in the end, don't you think?

do they really think it's a good idea to let the working class freeze and suffer and spend all their $ to stay warm, just to wean them off fossil fuels???

I don't doubt the ruling class will have no problem keeping warm

www.foxnews.com...

Sweden has sent a diving vessel to investigate an area of the Nord Stream pipelines where an eruption in the Baltic Sea caused leakage for several days.

Swedish Navy spokesman Capt. Jimmie Adamsson said a submarine rescue ship had been sent to the site of the leaks off Sweden and was supporting the Swedish coast guard, which is leading the probe.

if we can't trust the Swedes, whom can we trust?

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

ETA:

Bombers? Putin really things that bombers, even nuclear armed bombers, are going to be seriously any kind of threat? Those old birds are under constant surveillance. Their every movement tracked, most likely in real-time. And they will be plucked out of the sky the moment they cross into Ukrainian air space.

This isn't 1950 any more.

But who shoots down the bombers? If we're really sure the Ukrainian military can do it using their own air defenses, then yeah: it would be silly to even try.

But if we're not sure of that, then sending bombers with no nuclear armament, but which the West thinks may have nuclear armament, toward an objective that would have been on the list for a tactical nuclear strike, would be a great way to trick a nearby Nato country into shooting down a Russian plane.


We've been letting them routinely use the same bombers to deliver conventional bombs. So how are we going to know which bombing run they load the nuclear weapon for?

originally posted by: Marlborough Red

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
He asks a pretty good opening question: why would Putin blow up his own pipeline?


I have to admit it's possible Ukrainian forces did it. They have every reason to want to do it.

Exactly, why would Russia bother going to the extreme of blowing up its own non running (N1 wasn't supplying and N2 never got turned on properly) pipeline when all it needed to do was ‘turn off the taps’.

Yes Ukraine has every reason to want to do it but not the capability to do it.

MR

Are we sure they don't have that capability? The report claimed the pipeline was about 200 meters down. Whether that was underground or underwater, I wasn't clear on.

I'm wondering how much capability is required? You can make a big enough bomb using diesel and fertilizer. So long as you have a way of getting it close enough to its target.

originally posted by: ElGoobero
www.foxnews.com...

Sweden has sent a diving vessel to investigate an area of the Nord Stream pipelines where an eruption in the Baltic Sea caused leakage for several days.

Swedish Navy spokesman Capt. Jimmie Adamsson said a submarine rescue ship had been sent to the site of the leaks off Sweden and was supporting the Swedish coast guard, which is leading the probe.

if we can't trust the Swedes, whom can we trust?

I'm good with Sweden.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous


putin is threatening to nuke us (supporters of Ukraine), not Ukraine.



Isn't that just bloody marvelous of him.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Klassified


How exactly is the west 'goading' putin into ending the human race?

I'm not going to play the game of answering a loaded question as stated, so lets break that question into two parts.

"How exactly is the west "goading" Putin"...?
Simple. By inundating him with sanctions, financially and militarily supporting his opposition, using media to endlessly smear him and his country for years, surrounding him with NATO before the war even started, and more. I'm not talking about right and wrong. I'm talking about shoving someone into a corner, and we all know what often happens when you shove someone into a corner, which leads me to the second part of your question.

"...into ending the human race".
We are all responsible for our response to any given situation, but if you back someone into a corner and keep them there, expect to get hurt when they finally feel like they have nothing left to lose. They're going to come out of there with everything they have with no regard for the pain they inflict on you.

Always give someone an out if you don't want them to go nuclear on you.