America just blew up Russia's gas pipeline, and admitted it.

a reply to: ChiefD

Cool story, so wheres the proof?

You know, since that would be ground breaking news at this point.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: M5xaz


String B of NS2 to Europe is fully operational says gazprom. String B is capable of supplying 27.5 bcm of natural gas a year,says gazprom .

That's what everybody seems to be missing. Nord Stream pipelines are not all out of commission. Only 3 of the 4 are. Now, if Germany wants Russian gas, it will have to come through Nord Stream 2. That's what Putin has wanted all along. I suspect it's because Gazprom only makes money off 51% of the Nord Sea 1 pipelines, but makes money off 100% of Nord Stream 2. The more gas that flows through Nord Stream 2 instead of Nord Stream 1, the more money that Putin makes because Gazprom is his personal cash cow. That's the answer to why he would blow up his "own" gas lines and it's how kleptocrats think. Nord Stream 1 lines weren't "his own"; when they were operating, they were also making money for someone else. By blowing up Nord Stream 1 lines, he gives himself more business in Nord Stream 2. He had to sacrifice one of his Nord Stream 2 lines in order to get plausible deniability, but he ended up owning 100% of the only game in town.

If this had been a US/NATO operation to prevent any Russian gas from getting to Europe, all four Nord Stream lines would have been blown up.

a reply to: M5xaz


Had he been saying the exact same thing for 3 years?

Was he part of the political group saying that for years?

Did that group ever threaten military action against the pipeline?



Twisted words from an idiot.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: M5xaz



Yeah, russian propagandists have been taking those statements out of context for months.


Including tucker and russian teevee.

FALSE

There is no "Out of context", despite such claims by gullible idiots.
Biden
"There will no longer be a Nordstream 2. We will put an end to it"
Nuland
"One way or another , there will no longer be a Nordstream 2"


Clear enough ?


Now that public opinion is revolting against this dumb move, moron WH is deperately trying to shift blame elsewhere, which NPCs swallow

Russian has no motive to blow up their own pipeline, which they poured BILLIONS into building. Quite aside from the fact that they can shut off gas with a switch if they so desire, no explosion needed

The only nation that benefits from this is the US, as it now prevents Germany from pulling out of the Ukraine war, something they seemed on the verge of moving away from

I think that's why we're hearing it from Tucker Carlson, then.

Nobody takes him seriously. If you want to break a bit of news in a way where it will sound whacky and nobody will think too much about it, just put it on the desk of the least credible news guy you can find, and let him break it.

Fox is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Insulate the liberal side of the isle from any information that might make them question the narrative, by casting any and all questions as conservative ideas.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

If this had been a US/NATO operation to prevent any Russian gas from getting to Europe, all four Nord Stream lines would have been blown up.

That is actually a pretty solid point.

a reply to: M5xaz


Does the US have the LNG terminals to export any more gas to Europe?



Then why make stuff up again?

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: M5xaz


String B of NS2 to Europe is fully operational says gazprom. String B is capable of supplying 27.5 bcm of natural gas a year,says gazprom .

That's what everybody seems to be missing. Nord Stream pipelines are not all out of commission. Only 3 of the 4 are. Now, if Germany wants Russian gas, it will have to come through Nord Stream 2. That's what Putin has wanted all along. I suspect it's because Gazprom only makes money off 51% of the Nord Sea 1 pipelines, but makes money off 100% of Nord Stream 2. The more gas that flows through Nord Stream 2 instead of Nord Stream 1, the more money that Putin makes because Gazprom is his personal cash cow. That's the answer to why he would blow up his "own" gas lines and it's how kleptocrats think. Nord Stream 1 lines weren't "his own"; when they were operating, they were also making money for someone else. By blowing up Nord Stream 1 lines, he gives himself more business in Nord Stream 2. He had to sacrifice one of his Nord Stream 2 lines in order to get plausible deniability, but he ended up owning 100% of the only game in town.

If this had been a US/NATO operation to prevent any Russian gas from getting to Europe, all four Nord Stream lines would have been blown up.

Now how are you gonna blow up all 4 Nord Stream lines and convince the gullible that Russia did it themselves? Nah this is how they would do it and then exactly as you laid out say If we did it we would have done them all. Plausible deniability. No matter how many times our leaders lie to us we still wanna believe, it's truly amazing to watch.

Fox News , Russian primetime


Fox News: Putin Propaganda Primetime

a reply to: keenmachine

Like, Putin and Lavrov cannot tell the odd lie?

originally posted by: 1947boomer

If this had been a US/NATO operation to prevent any Russian gas from getting to Europe, all four Nord Stream lines would have been blown up.

That's a bloody good point I haven't seen mentioned anywhere!

If this was a sabotage/deliberate act is there any way it could have been done via malware a la Stuxnet? Most of the speculation is all about physical rather than cyber attacks.

If it was a viable method of attack could any Nation State be capable of it after the Shadow Brokers' leaks? North Korea seem to use them a lot.

I have zero understanding of how these things work so could be barking up the wrong tree.

So instead of being worried about Putin actually going through with this the conversations are all about Tucker.

Look back at the news before the Ukranian invasion. All that was said was its a build up. Nothing is going to happen. It is a build up and....

Invasion.

Putin has nothing to lose. Nothing.

a reply to: matafuchs


What do you propose we do about it?

I'm open to ideas, but how do you convince a madman to not do madman stuff?

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

You can't. That was my point. We can argue about Tucker or Russian Collusion or anything else but in the end what we say and theorize means nothing.

If he wants to do it, he will do it. A conversation would be about what would the fallout be from an incident like this. If Russia truly attacked ANY country with a tactical nuke what will be the response? Just like when we talk about NORD, why and what benefits to who would this create.

Radar data showed US helicopters near both pipelines prior to the explosions. Also there were rumors of secret negotiations between Germany and Russia about reopening the pipelines. Independent energy experts including some which are Green Party supporters, not TC fanbois are stating this was likely US or US and Poland.

Believing that Russia blew up the pipeline they own and can turn off for free from their own territory at any time, and that directly contributed to the 40% of Russia's GDP that comes from energy exports during a costly war seems to necessitate either a level of neocon globalist koolade consumption that would be fatal to anyone still capable of critical thought, or something beyond stupid, some hitherto undiscovered 'advanced stupid.'

a reply to: SentientBunnySuit

And how could helicopters do that, and what "radar data"?

Source, please?

a reply to: matafuchs

He lied about not invading?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The media lied...There was a 6 month build up. It was all blown off till the day he actually invaded.

NATO warnings in November 2021...just like these warnings.

Link

US and Ukraine in Sept

Link

a reply to: matafuchs

uk.news.yahoo.com...

why would we bother if it wasn't even being used to transport gas anyway and never had even before the war? we have no motivation to bomb pipelines that aren't even being used, only russia or china have a motivation, propaganda to cause divisions between Western nations, possibly leading to right wing pro putin parties gaining power because people feeling betrayed by America and pro American parties, also to create strife between American citizens to influence elections to guarantee trumpers gain more power by blaming the war in ukraine on America, to blame the sanctions on russia for our economic woes, to gain enough influence in the west to end our support for ukraine and end our sanctions against them.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

This is from the day of the invasion. I am talking about the downplay of the issue and then allowing it to happen. Our administration has no balls unless it is to fight a fake MAGA war against its own citizens.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: SentientBunnySuit

And how could helicopters do that, and what "radar data"?

Source, please?

Source: Jeffrey Sachs, Director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University on Bloomberg TV Monday. There's a link to the segment of him referencing the radar dats on Twitter.