Nazis & Soviets Together

In Russia, they call WW2 “The Great Patriotic War 1941-1945.”


Let us dig deeper with the historical time period , and what really happened then. This is all highly related now 2022 as to what is going on in Ukraine.

You see, Soviet and the Nazis were in alliance . Okey ...that was long time ago, but have they talked about this in honest way ? Did they even try to hide this ? Did they censor and delete facts about it and now blame nazis as an excuse to liberate Ukraine ?











Today was the anniversary of the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland. The Second World War began with a Nazi-Soviet alliance. It is illegal to say so in Russia. In Germany, where people are free to reflect upon this, it would not be a bad idea to do so.


In Russia, they call WW2 “The Great Patriotic War 1941-1945.” Let’s remind them about 1939.


OTD in 1939 Poland, as a complete surprise to us, suddenly ceased to exist so we "entered to restore or order and protect our compatriots abroad". We ended up committing crimes against humanity. Definitely not an invasion. Imagine that happening today


Hitler Ally Day Or how Russia started WW2 with Nazi Germany



So back to 2022 , Russia start`s war against sovereign state Ukraine, telling World and it`s own people that Russia has to denazify Ukraine. In light of what happened with their pact/ alliance with the NAZIS earlyer, does that sound quite odd ? hmm...

To me it look`s like they were friends with the German nazis in their own wish.....Only because Hitler betrayed them they then ended with war with them. But we should not forget what happened before the war between them, as it shows their true spirit . This denazify Ukraine thing is stubid crap when we look they were itself in alliance with the real nazis .


So there`s that.

Hitler was flirting with all the big players and they flirted back
Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided.

We don't know.
But it may have to do with stalling the energy crises in Europe this winter when Russia will decide to show its full strenght.
Don't believe me . book mark this.
Russia has its backing of the population
Biden has turned Americans against each other

a reply to: Kenzo

Because Soviets thought the Nazis wouldn't broke the truce but the Nazis did broke the none defense agreement.

a reply to: Kenzo

To me it look`s like they were friends with the German nazis in their own wish.....Only because Hitler betrayed them they then ended with war with them. But we should not forget what happened before the war between them, as it shows their true spirit . This denazify Ukraine thing is stubid crap when we look they were itself in alliance with the real nazis .

The Soviets, Rus was never freinds with the Nazis and this is another case of russophobia/whataboutism

originally posted by: Spacespider
Hitler was flirting with all the big players and they flirted back
Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided.

Debatable.

When America incorporated operatives under Operation Paperclip, we gleaned the minds but also the ideologies.

It wasn’t prudent. And rather short-sighted. Again we weren’t there so one can only speculate.

However.

I do believe that hopefully cooler heads have prevailed and will continue to do so. Even with the foxes running the henhouse. Let’s hope that the shining hill isn’t a complete insane asylum as we move forward in this decade.

I still contend that 1984/Brave New World aren’t guidebooks. But. As one of the last bastions in humankind’s story, America still has a role to play. Hopefully for the best.

We may be down, we aren’t out just yet.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Kenzo

Because Soviets thought the Nazis wouldn't broke the truce but the Nazis did broke the none defense agreement.

Defence agreement that included invading poland...

a reply to: Kenzo

You should not try to present a situational alliance as a strong friendship.

In the USSR, everyone was well aware of the persecution of communists by the Nazis and fascists.

So the Nazis in Russia have never been loved and continue to be hated.

Article by Putin - 75th Anniversary of the Great Victory: Shared Responsibility to History and our Future

originally posted by: Spacespider
Hitler was flirting with all the big players and they flirted back
Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided.

Debatable.

When America incorporated operatives under Operation Paperclip, we gleaned the minds but also the ideologies.

It wasn’t prudent. And rather short-sighted. Again we weren’t there so one can only speculate.

However.

I do believe that hopefully cooler heads have prevailed and will continue to do so. Even with the foxes running the henhouse. Let’s hope that the shining hill isn’t a complete insane asylum as we move forward in this decade.

I still contend that 1984/Brave New World aren’t guidebooks. But. As one of the last bastions in humankind’s story, America still has a role to play. Hopefully for the best.

We may be down, we aren’t out just yet.

a reply to: vNex92


Russian nationals, then it was under Soviet name ,were making deals with nazis .

Then the history were writed again, and the books writed about how Soviets fight against the nazis ,against the bad guys, when infact Russians were doing the same and even make alliance with nazis . Sure the soviets did fight against the nazis, but "The devil is in the details" .


What Putin is doing now is just what the Hitler and Stalin did back then.

The genociding mindset of present Russian nationals is there now, visible....we are watching it as they itself present it on their daily freak TV shows and Putin , Dmitry Medvedev , Lavrov spill out their views.

Not all Russians share that mindset thought, they feel disgusted about it, and have allready left from Russia, or are planning to left.

a reply to: Kenzo

PM for @Kenzo

Cheers

a reply to: Kenzo

Countries that have been led by Dictators ( such as Russia ) have a smack of fascism about them.

No denying that.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Roger , PM to you .

a reply to: turretless

In the USSR, everyone was well aware of the persecution of communists by the Nazis and fascists.

Especially the likes of Stalin who persecuted, imprisoned, and murdered, his own people, the majority of such who were also communist, by the millions no less.

So there is that.

a reply to: Kenzo

Russians had more casualties as well as more bazis killed than any other country by far! Pretty basic data when you take the political spin from it.

a reply to: Kenzo

So Russia has actually hidden the facts about the start of the second world war, I had no idea it was illegal though I did know that there pact meant that BOTH nations the Soviet Union and Germany invaded Poland together and then divided it between them.

Of course Hitler was both Afraid of and also secretly hated Stalin.

However it is a well known fact that before the War many SS observers were embedded with Soviet Forces with the full knowledge and cooperation of the Soviets and they observed first hand how Stalin's soldiers would routinely round up dissidents and those not sent to Soviet Concentration camp's i.e. Gulag's were they were mostly worked to death with very few surviving and how those not sent to concentration camp's were most often taken into the deep forests and forced to dig trenches into which the Soviets would then machine gun them after forcing them to line up.

It is indeed how the Germans first began practicing there own holocaust by copying these tactics however the German's decided it was too costly because bullet's cost money so came up with Death van's that were basically van's with there exhausts fed back into them to kill using carbon monoxide poisoning and later the death camps with there fake shower's that instead sprayed deadly gas and not water.

Technically when France and Britain declared war on NAZI Germany they also declared war upon the German's allies which at that time were the Soviets as well as Japan (though Japan did not enter the war until September 1940) though as far as I know no formal declaration of war was ever made upon Stalin and his cronies and instead after the fall of France we simply concentrated on defending our own shores and even had to leave our beleaguered overseas colonies with tiny military police forces more attuned to police actions than full blown war.

It was only after Hitler launched his attack on the Soviets (some Soviets had warned Stalin that they believed he was going to attack but he did not listen to them) that we eventually found common ground in our war with Germany with the Soviets, we lost ship's and many men in supplying the soviets with resources that we could scarcely afford ourselves at that time and this gave the soviets the military supplies they needed to stall the Germans long enough to relocate and expand there industry to the east.

Like the attack on the US by Japan this was a mistake by Hitler whom had underestimated the soviets and the logistics of controlling such a huge territory though once again like Stalin if Hitler had listened to some of his own general's and simply secured the oil fields and a few other regions the NAZI's may actually have eventually defeated the Soviets but at his insistence he forced them to fight in conditions there equipment simply was not made for, the Germans cold weather gear was not suitable for the extreme cold of the Russian winters and fields over which they had sped in blitzkrieg turned into muddy bog's in winter that there tanks whose tread was far too narrow to support on such terrain became bogged down in and even sank in.

But undoubtedly the biggest shock for the NAZI's was the T34, a tank that while primitive in almost every way was made for those conditions and had sloped armour, an idea that goes right back but which designers of tank's had forgotten despite it once having been used on Ironclad battleship's as far back as the American civil war.

But history often downplays the fact that Stalin was as bad and evil as Hitler, that he killed millions as well and that at the start of the war he WAS our enemy not our friend albeit war had not yet been declared and later we had to become friends of convenience to fight that common enemy that the NAZI's had become.


Also remember that during the war many Ukrainian Nationalists ended up aiding and siding with the NAZI's whom they saw as liberators from there soviet overlords, the vile people led by a man by the name of Stepan Bandera committed genocide against Ukrainian Poles, that is poles whom had lived there for as long as any one could remember but whom were ethnic poles not Ukrainians or Russians, remember borders in Europe were fluid for hundreds of years.
justiceforpolishvictims.org... inian-nationalists/
en.wikipedia.org...

This was NOT fighting for there freedom but a racially motivated mass murder of people that were not themselves, remember also that at times in history the Polish had been a power to be reckoned with and there winged knight's were one of the legendary military units of Europe.

So as evil as the Soviets were at times the Nationalists that wanted to break away AND whom MAY have began with the White Russians whom fought for the old imperial Russia against the Bolshevik revolutionary's but whom eventually lost though there last stronghold was non other than Crimea, many undoubtedly went to ground after there defeat and blended into the ordinary population of the Ukraine however.
www.rferl.org...

And the millions of Russians that died from the ensuing Nazi attacks are conveniently left out from the OP.

Much like how the OP conveniently ignores everything that has gone on in Ukraine up till the beginning of this year.

You want a better understanding of what's going on in Ukraine? Here

a reply to: LABTECH767

Thanks for the history course, so much all happened then and the story gets long...

Yeeh Bandera was doing bad then. I dont see Ukraine having now more nazis than other countrys, even Russia have them and many other. It was not the reason why Russia started the war. They are not significant group in Ukraine , or many other countrys today .

The 'Black Baron' And The White Exodus From Crimea story is interesting .

a reply to: JAY1980

This OP was not about WW2 casualtys , im sure most know it about anyway.


This war is because Putin/Russians are evil and stubid , and not because West had influence in Ukraine . NATO was not going to attack Russia, nor was Ukraine .

Key Narratives In Pro-Kremlin Disinformation: “Nazis”

For years, Russian state-controlled media along with politicians – from Putin himself to the now deceased right-wing extremist Vladimir Zhirinovsky – hammered down the notion that only the Soviet Union had genuinely fought the Hitler regime. All others in the West were not really contributing but somehow provided a space for Hitler. By slinging history-laden accusations against the West, Russia weaponised history, much in the same way it has weaponised its media as well as energy, food exports and trade in a broader sense.

It is difficult to see how this twisted perception of history squares with the fact that the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany had a Pact of non-aggression – the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, accompanied by secret protocols and significant trade relations, from August 1939 until July 1941. As documented by historian Roger Moorhouse, this equals a third of the duration of the WW2, during which Hitler’s Nazi regime had a free hand and built its war machine with Soviet imports. The Soviet Union aided significantly the training of Hitler’s modern war machine and provided critical resources and fuel for Nazi Germany.

However, pointing out these facts, let alone the atrocities committed by the Red Army, including the occupation of large swathes of Europe, is a taboo in Russia. For several years now it has been a criminal offense in Russia to engage in what is termed ‘staining the reputation of the Red Army’s heroic deeds 1941-1945’. Since 2021, it is now also criminal to ‘insult war veterans’. Memorial International, an NGO that has documented the repression and human rights violations under Stalin’s regime, was harassed for years and finally dissolved just weeks ahead of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

The Kremlin has silenced critical research by historians and stifled all free debate. With a free hand to manipulate and instrumentalise historical memory, the Kremlin stoked and appropriated feelings of heroism and national pride, to define itself as the sole force of resistance against Nazism now, throughout history, and into the future. From this, the Kremlin continues to draw its legitimacy in Russia, fuelling its neo-imperial ambitions abroad. The invasion of Ukraine, which Putin infamously attempted to justify as ‘de-nazification’, is the most extreme example of this.