Nazis & Soviets Together

a reply to: Kenzo

Arguably Russia actually has MORE extreme right wing Nationalists even than the Ukraine does, before they fell out these two disparate group's actually were friends and even members of one another's movement's.

They are neo nazi's there is no other term for them, both groups are ultra nationalists and racists.




But Putin likes to ignore or even hide this fact as he was using the presence of Ukrainian neo nazi's to justify his invasion of that part of the former soviet union and attempt to re-annex it back into Russia's control.

So we see that in fact both sides have plenty of bad guy's though it also has to be said that both sides have plenty of good guy's, it's a needless war and like all wars the innocent are the ones that suffer the most.

a reply to: LABTECH767


Yeeh , there are bad apples in every country most likely, this was needless war....

This is tragedy for both countrys, so Putin was not thinking this enough, and he trusted also wrong people .

a reply to: Kenzo

Some reporters and political experts in the west considered the possibility that Putin has been surrounded by Yes Men who were too afraid to tell him the bad news, he was probably thinking that his army were well equipped and trained as well but meanwhile the amount of corruption below him was so great that reactive armour was swapped out for dummy armour padded with egg carton's, body armour plates were swapped out for cardboard inserts and his soldiers were so demoralized that they were in no shape to fight a war, they were also very badly trained and had no discipline as can be seen from rapes and murder of civilians and probably of prisoners of war as well as there own officers shooting them if they were badly injured like putting down injured animals instead of sending them home for treatment (though that may have come from the top as lots of injured soldiers coming home telling people about what happened and what they had seen and been ordered to do would have been demoralizing for the Russian people if they actually had the truth of the war.

There is a special international day of remembrance called Black Ribbon Day which honors victims of the Nazi occupation of Poland (including Holocaust victims) and people who were killed by the Soviets after the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was signed, namely Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians who were deported to GULAG facilities in the Arctic Circle but also Polish Army officers killed in the Katyn Forest massacre by the NKVD in April 1940. The Russian government scoffs at Black Ribbon Day for overlooking the fact that Joseph Stalin ignored warnings from Winston Churchill not to take Hitler's word regarding the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, since Churchill knew that Hitler was not going to budge from his determination to plow his way through Slavic Europe given that the Fuhrer cheated on the Munich Pact by annexing Czechoslovakia even after he absorbed Sudetenland into the Third Reich.

a reply to: Kenzo

They had a lot in common, hitler was taking too much meth and did a methhead thing, good for us.

originally posted by: Potlatch
There is a special international day of remembrance called Black Ribbon Day which honors victims of the Nazi occupation of Poland (including Holocaust victims) and people who were killed by the Soviets after the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was signed, namely Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians who were deported to GULAG facilities in the Arctic Circle but also Polish Army officers killed in the Katyn Forest massacre by the NKVD in April 1940. The Russian government scoffs at Black Ribbon Day for overlooking the fact that Joseph Stalin ignored warnings from Winston Churchill not to take Hitler's word regarding the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, since Churchill knew that Hitler was not going to budge from his determination to plow his way through Slavic Europe given that the Fuhrer cheated on the Munich Pact by annexing Czechoslovakia even after he absorbed Sudetenland into the Third Reich.

After the end of the War many Polish, Czech and other that fought for there country's having escaped to Britain were repatriated (Sent home but some where allowed to stay), sadly once they crossed the border of what would soon become the Iron Curtain these men and woman especially the officers and those whom had high office within there country's before they were forced to flee were mostly murdered by the Russians.

This has left a gap in the history of these freedom fighters and there war to free there nations.
www.historic-uk.com...
www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

In the nations that were not occupied by the Soviets the men whom fled to Britain in order to fight for the freedom of there country's are celebrated hero's but sadly those whom had fled to Britain to fight for nations that were occupied by the Soviets had there story almost wiped out and many of them were murdered by the Soviets when they returned to there still occupied nations probably out of fear that they would mount a trained resistance to the Soviet occupiers and there puppet governments.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: Potlatch
There is a special international day of remembrance called Black Ribbon Day which honors victims of the Nazi occupation of Poland (including Holocaust victims) and people who were killed by the Soviets after the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was signed, namely Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians who were deported to GULAG facilities in the Arctic Circle but also Polish Army officers killed in the Katyn Forest massacre by the NKVD in April 1940. The Russian government scoffs at Black Ribbon Day for overlooking the fact that Joseph Stalin ignored warnings from Winston Churchill not to take Hitler's word regarding the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, since Churchill knew that Hitler was not going to budge from his determination to plow his way through Slavic Europe given that the Fuhrer cheated on the Munich Pact by annexing Czechoslovakia even after he absorbed Sudetenland into the Third Reich.

After the end of the War many Polish, Czech and other that fought for there country's having escaped to Britain were repatriated (Sent home but some where allowed to stay), sadly once they crossed the border of what would soon become the Iron Curtain these men and woman especially the officers and those whom had high office within there country's before they were forced to flee were mostly murdered by the Russians.

This has left a gap in the history of these freedom fighters and there war to free there nations.
www.historic-uk.com...
www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

In the nations that were not occupied by the Soviets the men whom fled to Britain in order to fight for the freedom of there country's are celebrated hero's but sadly those whom had fled to Britain to fight for nations that were occupied by the Soviets had there story almost wiped out and many of them were murdered by the Soviets when they returned to there still occupied nations probably out of fear that they would mount a trained resistance to the Soviet occupiers and there puppet governments.

Was Joseph Stalin apprehensive about the possibility that Nazi Germany might one day take over Slavic Europe after hearing about Adolf Hitler's annexation of Czechoslovakia in violation of the Munich Pact that British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed with Hitler in September 1938? This is one question that is worthy of investigation because: (1) Stalin may have called Hitler's apocalyptic prophecy in his January 1939 speech to the Reichstag pure bluster given that the vast majority of people outside Germany knew that the Nazis had no formal blueprint for destroying European Jews even after having succeeded in removing Jews from German life and society; (2) the Soviet government failed to take heed of the fact that Hitler's book Mein Kampf called for enslaving and annihilating Slavic peoples in Central and Eastern Europe; and (3) Stalin was repeatedly warned by Winston Churchill not to take the Fuhrer at his word regarding the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of 1939 because Churchill knew that Hitler was never going to budge from his determination to take over Slavic Europe.

a reply to: Kenzo

Russia did what Russia does red or white they did the same thing be it with napoleon at the treaty of tilsit or hitler, so russia will do what it always does and Putin will be pivoting to deal with china as russia is always horrendously underprepared for war and needs an armourer.

if it all goes the way it normally does the chinese will be invading russia not taiwan.. just as both hitler and napoleon turned away from their island invasion ambitions for Russia when it became the greater prize.

a reply to: nickyw

China may want part of Russia someday .

Balkanisation of Russia is also one scenario , specially now because Putin is ethnic groups as cannon fodder in Ukraine .

I agree that Russia will do what it allways do , cant see much change there .

originally posted by: Kenzo


You see, Soviet and the Nazis were in alliance . Okey ...that was long time ago, but have they talked about this in honest way ? Did they even try to hide this ? Did they censor and delete facts about it and now blame nazis as an excuse to liberate Ukraine ?

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a non aggression pact, not an alliance as such. Allies don't generally need formal written assurances from each other that they won't attack each other. lol.

It was a pact of convenience. The aim was to allow them each to pursue their Imperial designs in eastern Europe without coming into direct conflict. Other than that they were bitterly opposed ideologically (and racially according to NAZI ideology). It also allowed Stalin (or so he thought) time to prepare for war with Germany, which he knew would happen eventually.

No doubt they had all sorts of dealings with them, but so did many other countries. For instance it's well known that many prominent US business men were NAZI and Hitler admirers who didn't want war. They and their corporations were making too much money.

Nazi ideology held that Slavs/Russians were worthless sub humans and their hatred of socialists/communists was well known long before this pact was signed. In fact countering the "communist scourge" was one of the NAZI's big selling points during their rise. One of the first things Hitler did after gaining power was to purge socialists and communists (and Jews) from the German civil service. Then round up prominent members of the Communist and Social Democratic Parties and send them to concentration camps.

To me it look`s like they were friends with the German nazis in their own wish.....Only because Hitler betrayed them they then ended with war with them. But we should not forget what happened before the war between them, as it shows their true spirit . This denazify Ukraine thing is stubid crap when we look they were itself in alliance with the real nazis .


So there`s that.

The only problem with "that" is that it's nonsense.

Their were groups especially from Poland and the Ukraine that sided with the Nazis against the Soviets. Stepan Bandera is probably the most well known fascist NAZI collaborator. He is still idolised in some parts of the Ukraine, especially with the small but powerful NAZI extremist groups in the military.

The US has been meddling in this region not just with the last coup that started the civil war on Russia's border, but all the way back to WW2.

You're unlikely to find this in western history curriculums, but there's quite a lot of truth in it.

Ukraine: The CIA's 75 Year Proxy

a reply to: Quintilian


Well thanks for reply/ thoughts .

Frankly , i forget what i read about this . It's some sort of taboo in Russia today to much discuss openly about the nazi-soviet cooperation if i have understand....if not even criminal by the law.

originally posted by: vNex92
The Soviets, Rus was never freinds with the Nazis and this is another case of russophobia/whataboutism

Yet the Russians made an alliance with Nazi Germany, so let us at least concede a level of friendship.

Two nasty people - Stalin and Hitler - dividing Europe up under a pact of non-aggression towards the other. The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact enabled the Russian's to invade Poland, the Baltic States, Finland, parts of Romania and so on. In each country, the Russian committed gross violations and crimes, including mass deportations. Sound familiar? It's part of the Russian psyche to bathe in the blood of the conquered.

Look to the Russian treatment of the Poles at the Katyn massacre as a case in point....

a reply to: Quintilian

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a non aggression pact

Poland may disagree.

Their were groups especially from Poland and the Ukraine that sided with the Nazis against the Soviets

Yes because of Soviet behaviour in those countries.

a reply to: Kenzo

That deal never well.

The Russians knew at the end of the day that the Nazis were never to be trusted as they dont trust Europe currently in this war in Ukraine.


Its why Russia had cut majority of its deals with EU over the past decade.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Poland may disagree.

The pact was with each other, not with Poland. As I said it was aimed at allowing them to peruse their interests in the region without direct conflict with each other...Stalin knew he wasn't ready for war with Germany and thought this would buy him time (a miscalculation as it happened). Part of the reason for the pact was so they could divide Poland. Unfortunately, that's the sort of thing Empires do.

Yes because of Soviet behaviour in those countries.

Whatever the reason, Putin is correct that extremists/Nazis exist and have too big a say in the politics and military affairs of Ukraine. Whether that is a genuine reason for his military operation or not (I have doubts), it does seem to be a fact. It would seem to be a small problem compared to the threats the US poses in the region.

originally posted by: Quintilian

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Poland may disagree.

The pact was with each other, not with Poland. As I said it was aimed at allowing them to peruse their interests in the region without direct conflict with each other...Stalin knew he wasn't ready for war with Germany and thought this would buy him time (a miscalculation as it happened). Part of the reason for the pact was so they could divide Poland. Unfortunately, that's the sort of thing Empires do.

Yes because of Soviet behaviour in those countries.

Whatever the reason, Putin is correct that extremists/Nazis exist and have too big a say in the politics and military affairs of Ukraine. Whether that is a genuine reason for his military operation or not (I have doubts), it does seem to be a fact. It would seem to be a small problem compared to the threats the US poses in the region.

Describing it as a non aggression pact is a bit disingenuous when it involves carving up a third country.

Far right groups won zero seats the last election. Putin is neither correct or justified in to use that to provide a reason for his invasion.

originally posted by: Quintilian
Whatever the reason, Putin is correct that extremists/Nazis exist and have too big a say in the politics and military affairs of Ukraine.

And yet...

1. No one has been able to find the evidence that Ukrainian politics and military was contaminated by Nazis. Except, of course, Russian propagandists.
2. Who are the real extremists? The Ukrainians who were trying to develop as nation, of Russia who is going all out to destroy them? Seems to me that the Russians are the extremists here. Content to destroy and cause misery and grief to countless thousands, to support some perverted view of the world.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Hitler was flirting with all the big players and they flirted back
Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided.

No it wasn't, and it wasn't even after pearl harbor. The approval rating was something like 9%.

It's also important to note that Germany did not declare war on anyone, but had war declared upon them by the world jewery. Do you think Hitler rose to power and all of these world leaders flirted with him because he was evil?

OR

Do you think he rose to power, had the support he did, and world leaders flirted with him because Germany was a victim of a Societal attack?

They built a wall to separate berlin because of what exactly?

Because on one side of the wall, they had hookers, gambling, drugs, bestiality, pedo's, gangsters and cartels. Who were operating it? Bankers.

They tried to leave it alone; they built a wall. Just saying, if you look at the facts, they are pretty self evident. The bankers usurped America, orchestrated Pearl Harbor by sanctions and policies that left Japan no other options, Japan did what they expected, and used that as a pretext to get involved.

After Hitler lost and was surrounded by Stalin's troops and they blew the bunker up, the war was over. The United States STILL dropped 2 nuclear bombs on the citizen population of Japan. Not military targets, regular people working to survive that had nothing to do with any of the GeoPolitical stressers that lead to WW2.

Who's the bad guy though?

All lies will contain contradictions, because they aren't things that happened, they are made up. Real things make sense. If you look at the story we are told, there are so many non-sensical decisions.

I.E. If The Nazi's were genocidal monsters and just wanted to exterminate jews, why would they round them up and feed them, house them, cloth them, let them play soccer and swim in swimming pools?

Why not just kill them as you find them?

Makes no sense to "Imprison" those that you plan to "Gas to death" -- does it? The whole thing is silly, and it's true; history is absolutely written by the victor. You believe their narrative on WW2? They used the same narrative to enter Vietnam, used a similar fake attack to justify it again, approval ratings didn't allign with our involvement in that war either. Over and over again, they lie; they use false pretext to enter wars with low approval ratings.

They lied to us about covid too. And y'all don't believe these lies, but you believe the WW2 ones? The world hates America for a reason. Continue to support the crazy, watch the NBA, gamble on sports, look at our role models, Lizzo, a fat whale, Cardi B a hooker stripper that drugged and robbed men, the biggest music industry in the world talks only about Drugs and Violence and Sex; LiL Nas X, making your boys gay, the Rainbow Brigade is about stifling birth rates. Women aren't attracted to men that have sex with men, yet they want you to have sex with men today. NBA players carry purses court side, Kanye pushed the skirt for men.

Y'all don't realize the United States doesn't produce anything anymore, therefor; it needs not the population it created -- the economy is broken because we don't produce anything anymore. Time to downsize. And you'll like it! Not only will you like it!!! You'll accelerate it!

World leaders know the deal, y'all can't because the information they teach in schools is propaganda. Nobody knows the real truth of WW2 outside of the victims of WW2. The same ones that are ruining our country now with all the "Woke" agenda, this is what they did to Germany in the 1930's.

It's happening again. We are steady heading in the direction of WW3, and WW3, is going to happen for the same reason WW2 happened. It's a repeat, we saw this before.

a reply to: SRPrime

So much wrong with you post its difficult to know what to cover.

Germany declared war on the US.

The Berlin Wall was built more than 15 years after ww2

Japan was still fighting so the war wasn't over.

Not too mention your nice bit of holocaust denial

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: SRPrime

So much wrong with you post its difficult to know what to cover.

Germany declared war on the US.

The Berlin Wall was built more than 15 years after ww2

Japan was still fighting so the war wasn't over.

Not too mention your nice bit of holocaust denial

Why did they build the Berlin wall? Explain. [I didn't say the wall was built first. I said the wall was built for a reason.]

The United States wasn't in the war until Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor is what involved us. The united states chose to ENTER the war. Germany didn't pull us into it.

Japan still fighting? With what forces? Japan needed two nuclear bombs dropped on civilian populations, non-strategic war targets because of what exactly?

Japan is small, their army small; when all of the Axis was defeated, the world united, they needed Nuclear bombs on the citizens on Japan to stop that?

Explain if genocide is your goal, why would you feed the people you're trying to exterminate?

Simple questions.

There is propaganda in your programming. Open your eyes when you walk around outside. Inflation is up, supply is down, Saudi Arabia is not going to trade oil in United States Dollars anymore, i.e. THE USD isn't the word reserve trade currency anymore, as the only reason it was, was Oil Trading. Arcades opening up next to walmart; sports gambling commercials on mainstream television, only fans and sex work more prominent than ever, and they are forcing gender ideology on every channel.

You can see it. We're a failed state in real time. Birthrates in the toilet. Money in the toilet. Morality in the toilet. Ethics in the toilet. We're arresting Presidents, we're way passed Banana Republic; hyper inflation on the way -- all by design.

But yeah... So much wrong with what I said.

The united states can't define a woman, college kids support communism.

It's no wonder why either. When a college kid goes to college, gets a degree, comes out of college with a job holding that degree and can't afford a car; that makes communism appealing, no? But sure; all the things that are happening here are normal. You're a frog in a pot, you'll be cooked before you notice.


This is why the Reich rose to power. The same thing that happened to Germany, is happening to US now. I'm not saying the answer is world war. I'm not saying the answer is genocide or extermination. I am saying the answer requires us to take back the government and reprioritize what we teach in schools, and reinstill the moral integrity that made the United States the most powerful country in the world.

The way to do that is to wrestle control of it back from the enemy. The Federal Reserve.

We've got to stop giving blank checks to Zelensky, a gay dancer who supports gender ideology. I'm saying the blind support of Israel isn't our mission. United States should be our Priority, because we are the United States. Making any other country that's not ours the priority makes no sense. Those countries aren't US.