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originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Ksihkehe

Show me the clinical data that supports vaccinating children. That should be easy, we have two years of clinical data. Show me the clinical need and how the vaccine reduces that risk enough to justify it.

As you well know there isn't any. At least none that you would accept. Which is why you're asking for it.

Most countries aren't vaxxing children except in cases where they or close family members have existing comorbidity, which skews the data. Making it no longer representitive of the wider population.

Also, as you well know, children tend not to get covid badly, so there is no real case for vaxxing them to protect them. The whole reason for vaxxing children is to reduce community transmission.

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Wrong. If children aren't affected allowing them to get natural immunity is far superior to the vaccine. The vaccine doesn't stop transmission, Fauci admitted it recently. Natural immunity has a nearly 100% success rate after a year and those vaccinated are MORE likely to get covid than unvaccinated.

STOP LYING.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

The corrupt media owned by the Democrat agenda ... in Iran, and Russia, and Israel, and the EU?

Why would the media in every country in the world all be corrupt in the exact same way, and support the exact same agenda?

NWO.

You honestly don't see a similarity in the ways the information is disseminated? Do you think people like Soros only have a small sphere of influence in one country? No? Now multiply that by the Bilderberg group and the G8.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Ksihkehe

Show me the clinical data that supports vaccinating children. That should be easy, we have two years of clinical data. Show me the clinical need and how the vaccine reduces that risk enough to justify it.

As you well know there isn't any. At least none that you would accept. Which is why you're asking for it.

Most countries aren't vaxxing children except in cases where they or close family members have existing comorbidity, which skews the data. Making it no longer representitive of the wider population.

Also, as you well know, children tend not to get covid badly, so there is no real case for vaxxing them to protect them. The whole reason for vaxxing children is to reduce community transmission.

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Wrong. If children aren't affected allowing them to get natural immunity is far superior to the vaccine. The vaccine doesn't stop transmission, Fauci admitted it recently. Natural immunity has a nearly 100% success rate after a year and those vaccinated are MORE likely to get covid than unvaccinated.

STOP LYING.

That's great, except that you don't have sources for any of that. On the other hand, the sources in my signature demonstrate clearly that the vax does indeed reduce transmission rates by up to 85%, that the vaxxed aren't more likely to get covid than the unvaxxed. And even if they do get covid it's usually milder. Again, source are in my signature.

Yes, having natural immunity does beat being vaxxed, but you have to get covid first. So it's not really a win.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: AaarghZombies

The corrupt media owned by the Democrat agenda ... in Iran, and Russia, and Israel, and the EU?

Why would the media in every country in the world all be corrupt in the exact same way, and support the exact same agenda?

NWO.

You honestly don't see a similarity in the ways the information is disseminated? Do you think people like Soros only have a small sphere of influence in one country? No? Now multiply that by the Bilderberg group and the G8.

First of all, these are all different groups of people who don't play nicely together. You're literally suggesting that hard line socialists and far right capitalists are in this together.

Secondly, they're not remotely influential enough. They'd have to corrupt millions of people in countries as diverse as Israel and Iran, or America and Russia.

It's not just a matter of logging into a government computer and changing a few numbers before they're released to the public. This data is gathered by tens of thousands of people all over the world in all kinds of organizations and agencies.

In my home country this data is gathered by regional agencies, and is distributed to governmental and non-governmental groups, including academics. You'd need to corrupt enough people in each regional agency in order to corrupt the national figures otherwise the groups who get their data from the regional agencies would notice that the regional and national data didn't match.

Since the regional data is published alongside the national data, if the national data were fudged then the people in the regions would be able to see that the data that they supplied was different form the data being published.

The regional data is also gathered from smaller regions, and you'd need to corrupt them too otherwise they'd realize that the data they were supplying to the primary regional agencies had been changed.

Already that's hundred of people per region, over many regions.

You'd need to repeat this internationally, because it would be really easy to see if China or Russia had completely different figures to everyone else. Like a significantly lower mortality rate, or a higher vax reaction rate, or literally anything.

You'd need to corrupt millions of people all over the world.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Still....

Millions of people are not responsible for collecting and disseminating the data. That is a much smaller number, and they all report to someone, a smaller number still. One corporation owns a dozen tv and radio stations. Do you think every single person at every one of those places has to be bought and paid for? They don't. The owner says frog and they jump. Its that easy.

You keep trying to paint this picture where there are millions of people involved in all these calculations and gathering this data. That is not the case. All the data, in the end, funnels to just a few people at a few different organizations.

For example, front line doctors gather data. That data is given to their admin. Admin collects the data and sends it to the county. Every county collects its data and sends it to their congressmen and governor at the state level. The states send that data to the federal agencies. The federal agencies share it with global agencies. The number of people involved at any given time keeps getting smaller and smaller the further it goes. It starts off with every doctor and ends up with a handful of politicians - who are bought and paid for by big pharma. And those politicians tell their underlings what to say, what to do, how to act, etc. And that backflow of instructions goes all the way down to the front line doctors. Why do you think they collected the data in the first place, they weren't busy enough already? And it has been proven time and time again that the data released to the public is highly questionable if not outright lies. Its not that the doctors are incompetent, its the people pulling the strings and sticking to the agenda.

Look at it this way. Every business unit or group where I worked had a certain number of data gatherers at the bottom of the food chain. They all reported to managers who collected their data and put it into a format they could then give to their bosses. Their boss, and the dozens of other bosses the same level as him, gather all the reports from all their managers and format it to send to their bosses. Their bosses collect all the reports from all the lower bosses, format it to send to the corporate managers. They gather all the reports from all the unit bosses and format it to send to the vp's. The vp's gather all the data from all the corporate managers and format it to send to the ceo. The ceo sends it to the CDC, WHO, EPA, whoever. Now all that data from hundreds of data gatherers is in the hands of just a few people who deliver it to the media - if TPTB say so.

There was a thread here just a few days ago that described how Ontario has stopped releasing covid stats based on vax status. Why do you think they did that? Holding back vital information...was it their idea? Did that idea come from somewhere else? What is the purpose of withholding data, because people want to make uninformed decisions about their healthcare? Not hardly...

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Ksihkehe

I didn't mention anti-vaxxers. That was you. I said that nobody could bribe or threaten enough people to pull of a global conspiracy like this, so there probably wasn't one. You're either projecting or misquoting. Both of which would be your problem.

No one could pull off a global conspiracy to this degree? REALLY? You honestly believe this? So the global financial system is what? A bastion of ethics and transparency? The Federal Reserve that has forced itself on almost every country in the world is what? A myth? Governments forcing regime changes on sovereign countries is what? Fairy tales?

Your entire premise you base every reasoning you have on is beyond flawed. The world is FULL of "global conspiracies" playing out right in front of our eyes.

Politicians on both sides blatantly commit insider trading, but yet Congress and the SEC does nothing, so is that convenient incompetence, nothing to see here or widespread corruption to the point the institutions that would hold them accountable would have to be corrupted as well? How many people would need to be in on that?

The world didn't start when you suddenly started pretending to care about whats going on. Bad people have been elevating and promoting bad people into positions of power for a very, very long time. One might say since the inception of most of these institutions.

Just because you can't be honest with yourself about these very real realities doesn't mean those excuses will fly in the land of denying ignorance.

Because there is nothing more ignorant in 2022 than telling yourself "too many people would have to be in on it"

The entire world is corrupt and its been trending in that direction since freaking Caligula.

I just do not understand how far gone things have to be before these blanket denialist are too ashamed to keep shilling anymore. Putting a bunch of outdated and compromised data links in your signature doesn't do anything except identify your disingenuousness right up front.

At this point the ONLY reason to be this married to the official narratives where you're investing time on conspiracy sites to defend this stuff is because you have an agenda.

Your existence debunks your own reasoning and shows they don't need to "control and bribe" everyone. You're (supposedly) voluntarily carrying that water with (supposedly) no personal benefit to be gained. Why? Because you have either been fooled into believing the obviously flawed information, get off on playing devils advocate or because you're paid to play these games and muddy the waters.

I don't need to control everyone to get them to buy my crappy product, I just need the right influencers to say its great and a few friends in the media to push out some approved by an authority articles and walla, I'm making millions off selling bags of crap labelled 'Supreme'.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Poor Robert Malone, they even stripped him of his inventions and replaced it with a German nobody(assistant) who couldn't explain squat. If that isn't solid proof to your post OP I don't know what is.

a reply to: Gratcast

I can answer that easily for you.

There literally needs to be nothing left, for their hopes and dreams to be shattered. They will forever hold out on universal basic income, and the hopes of world wide free medical. As it will allow those types to become the ultimate freeloaders.

The other 10-25% just simply have a death wish. Which someone who is STILL hardcore pro-vax told me. That "I wish I was dead", and apparently wants to take the rest of the world with them.

The other part of that is those who rather die then be proven wrong.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Millions of people are not responsible for collecting and disseminating the data.

Yes, yes they are. Each local area collects its own data and then passed it on to a regional authority, and then to a state or national authority. depending on where they are. Each of these groups publish their own data as well as the data from every group below them.

Or do you think that every small town or county coroner reports directly to the CDC?

Do you think every single person at every one of those places has to be bought and paid for

Everyone with the potential to see that the data that they'd passed up the chain had been changed. Plus everyone in an outside agency (NGOs and academics, in particular) who would be in a similar position.

The number of people involved at any given time keeps getting smaller and smaller the further it goes.

By the time the data gets that far it's already been published by multiple different groups. So any changes would be easy to see.

For example, there are 58 counties in California, and each one publishes their own statistics. If the vax death rates published by the combined countries are lower than the total vax death rate for the state then it would be obvious. So you'd need to change the death rates at the country level, not the state level. Which means corrupting the country coroners offices individually. Now do the same at the state level. If Texas reports 10,000 vax deaths but the combined total for the entire USA is only 10 or 20, then it would be obvious that something had been changed. So you'd need to corrupt the data out of Texas as a state, which could only be done by corrupting the data out of each country, which means that you'd need to corrupt each country individually.

Every business unit or group where I worked had a certain number of data gatherers ... Now all that data from hundreds of data gatherers is in the hands of just a few people who deliver it to the media

Yes, but if each individual data gatherer published their data you'd be able to see that the data at the end didn't add up. So you'd still need to corrupt the individual data gatherers.

Why do you think they did that?

They told us why, because people were abusing the data to make doom porn.

was it their idea

Yes, it was, because they were the ones getting the blowback. They were covering their own backs.

a reply to: Gratcast

The world is FULL of "global conspiracies" playing out right in front of our eyes.

The world is full of competing conspiracies by different groups doing different things to support their own interests.

What you're suggesting is that different groups with competing interests are all cooperating. Even though cooperating goes against their own interest. which is what makes it so unlikely.

You're suggesting the equivalent of the NRA and the anti-gun liberals getting together to plan school shootings in order to sell bullet proof backpacks to kids. Bullet proof backpacks that are made by a Chinses, and neither of them make any money off of it.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Or do you think that every small town or county coroner reports directly to the CDC?

I responded with three paragraphs on this exact subject, the chain of custody - and you completely ignore it and return to your agenda.

We are done here.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Or do you think that every small town or county coroner reports directly to the CDC?

I responded with three paragraphs on this exact subject, the chain of custody - and you completely ignore it and return to your agenda.

We are done here.

If you'd read a little further you'd have seen that I did indeed address this.

To quote myself:

there are 58 counties in California, and each one publishes their own statistics. If the vax death rates published by the combined counties are lower than the total vax death rate for the state then it would be obvious. So you'd need to change the death rates at the country level, not the state level. Which means corrupting the country coroners offices individually.

Or, to put it another way, local agencies don't simply pass the data up the chain, they also publish it. So you'd need to corrupt the data at the local level before it was published, otherwise the statistics that they published wouldn't match up with the ones published further up the chain.

You'd need to do this in every state in the union.

a reply to: Gratcast

At this point the ONLY reason to be this married to the official narratives where you're investing time on conspiracy sites to defend this stuff is because you have an agenda.

I would say the exact same thing about people posting doom porn.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not get it?

Here it is in baby steps...

You mention 58 counties in California. Yay for California. I live in Illinois. Do you think I care what is being reported in some democrat run sh1thole county in California? Or some guy in Maine? Or Nebraska? Do you think they even bother to look at their own county data? Most people, by far the greater majority, get their news from the major networks. So Joe doctor in some county in California said things haven't changed much. So what? First, is he telling the truth? If so, is he representative of the entire state? The entire country?

The data is collected, homologated, and 'doctored' the way TPTB want it before it is released to the general public. Most people are interested in the bigger picture and don't have time patience or energy to micro-manage every single reporting physician whose data they couldn't verify even if they wanted to.

Cling to the technicality of local reporting if it means that much to you. We both know whatever is released at the local level gets no attention and means nothing when the data released at the national or world level opposes it. If anyone even noticed that Joe doctor from Podunk County California's data was different they would just say Joe doctor probably screwed up and got it wrong anyway. And lets be honest here, if Joe doctor said the same thing TPTB are saying, it wouldn't matter. But if he said TPTB are wrong or lying, he would be cancelled and dragged across the carpet, likely lose his credentials and his career, and possibly end up in jail if the new disinformation office thinks he is big enough to make the 6 o'clock news.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Do you think they even bother to look at their own county data?

Yes, because these metrics are used for all kinds of things, from determining levels of federal funding to apportioning blame. If your local coroner reported vax deaths to the state and then realized that they weren't include don the state's official figures they'd be certain to ask why.

Most people are interested in the bigger picture and don't have time patience or energy to micro-manage every single reporting physician whose data they couldn't verify even if they wanted to.

Academics and epidemiologists do care. If there were differences they would notice.

The data is collected, homologated, and 'doctored' the way TPTB want it before it is released to the general public.

Great, except that the data is available at a regional level, which means that it would need faking at that level too otherwise it would say a different think from the national data.

If you add up the numbers from the regional data and it doesn't match the national data then you know it's been faked. So by definition the local and regional data must also be faked in order for it to match. Which would mean threatening or bribing the local agencies, too.

We both know whatever is released at the local level gets no attention and means nothing when the data released at the national or world level opposes

The local data is usually released first, so it's frequently the data that's reported on. Not the national data which might be out of date by the time it's been compiled. Especially since different states use different reporting systems.

If anyone even noticed that Joe doctor from Podunk County California's data was different they would just say Joe doctor probably screwed up and got it wrong anyway.

But they're not saying that, are they. Because the data isn't different.

But if he said TPTB are wrong or lying,

He'd probably not be the person doing it, more likely an epidemiologist or an academic, but since they're not doing it either that data is genuine or they're all being bribed or threatened.

From a different Thread but pertains ....... 😎

originally posted by: carewemust
Update 7.17.2022

Dr. Deborah BIRX (Mil & CDC) is NOW admitting that Covid-19 was infectious "right out of the box", implying that it was a Chinese developed weapon that was released, either by accident, or intentionally.

Source: gettr.com...

WHERE is the joint U.S. Congressional-DHS Investigation?

Covid-19's effect on America and Americans makes the Jan6th "riot" totally insignificant by comparison!

a reply to: AaarghZombies

OMFG are you thick or what.....

"Data is used for all kinds of things like federal funding." And who on this planet isn't completely aware of the fact that the numbers were faked at just about every level to get more money? Apparently you are the only one who doesn't know that...

"If there were differences they would notice..." uh huh. And if there were differences how would they know which was right and which was wrong? And which of them would be willing to risk their credentials to make the observation?

"The data is available at the regional level..." And as I said earlier, who bothers to look up every coroner, every county, every state, every region, and make the detailed comparisons of every single data element? NO ONE. If no one looks at each and every element of each and every data set and compares it to each and every single contributing source, why would they need bribed?

PEOPLE LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. MOST PEOPLE DONT HAVE THE TIME, THE PATIENCE, OR THE KNOWLEDGE TO SEEK OUT, COMPARE, AND VERIFY EVERY SINGLE DATA POINT FROM EVERY SINGLE REPORTING SOURCE IN EVERY COUNTY IN EVERY STATE IN EVERY REGION.

You are nitpicking possibilities you cant prove. I am talking about real life. Try getting one. It might do you some good.

a reply to: BarbaraTheEnlightened1

"Allow for at least the next fifty years."

Yes. Lots of folk will die in the next 50 years. Of natural causes.

And yes, Im prepared to be laughed at etc.

By people like you.

It's how ya'll roll.