Covid: immune system decline

a reply to: BernnieJGato

It is shameful that you have the mainstream news media outlets that are still trying to push for more boosters and dont want this end.

This is not going to end very well for the MSM when more of the truth slowly emerges out in the coming months if not a year from now.

I saw a video somewhere where you had news outlet producer trying to shut up a writer from their own news outlet talking about their family or friends that had or are experiencing issues from side effects of the boosters.

The producer of the news show called the writer conspiracy theorist to shut down his report and questioning.

a reply to: chr0naut

...the letter to the editor makes reference to a Swedish study published in The Lancet, and says that the Lancet study shows that immune function in vaccinated participants was lower than among unvaccinated participants. The Lancet study does not show that at all...

How do you explain the vaccine effectiveness dropping below 0% after 8 months?


Here is another article from the UK, in which the Vaccine Effectiveness was found to be negative 300% - or that you would be 3x as likely to catch Covid a second time after taking the treatment.

...real-world data suggest that infection rates are generally highest in the triple vaccinated, with the lowest infection rates in the unvaccinated...

This data is compiled by UK Health Security Agency.



Link:
dailysceptic.org...


Is this a misrepresentation of the data perpetrated by insane anti-vax zealots, or is this real world data showing us that our theory needs an adjustment?

If you only accept big names in science, what about Peter Doshi? He is expressing his interest in more careful examination of risk vs reward.
If you were not already aware, here is his preprint article showing that not only are the injections losing in the battle against Covid, but they are doing more overall harm than good as they increase the absolute health risk. More are having severe side effects from the shots than the number benefited by avoiding severe Covid.

papers.ssrn.com...

The real conspiracy here is this paper will likely remain a preprint and never see the light of day. There is that much pressure sitting on this thing. So many brilliant people who got it wrong and have to accept they got it wrong.

“A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” - Max Planck

originally posted by: MapOfNowhere

originally posted by: Tarantula777
I think they have poisoned us all in their rush to make money out of us.

They have not poisoned us all.

They have only poisoned the ones who were stupid enough to get the so-called "vaccine".

I respect the op for being humble and admitting it was a bad idea.

The real trash are the people still spreading msm propaganda and treating us all like $h!t for not Also being sheep.

The article is in the virology journal at Springer, so it should actually be somewhat substantiated. It does not give the exact method of action but does give some of the possible reasons it is doing this lowering of immune function.

This is a newer article, seems they are somewhat narrowing down why it is lowering immunity against things, which is a good thing to be researching. It may not be giving an specific way it is effecting the immunity, but it does directly state that immunity is waning in a considerable amount of people. This is what some virologists and specialists are stating and getting discredited for by those pushing vaccines as a panacea. Remember all the panaceas like antibiotics and NSAIDs that have been found now to be a problem after they pushed them as wonder drugs. A real lot of meds have been taken off the market silently over the years because they had side effects that were not appropriate, but a lot of people in high places backed this vaccine and they are not going to accept they were wrong. A lot of the research was purposely misinterpreted to deceive people that this vaccine was safe for almost everyone yet the research never said that it was safe for everyone...in fact, lots of people have had negative side effects with this that have been downplayed....their symptoms match the problems discovered in the initial test subjects, but the NIH and CDC just covered their ears and babbled nanana when someone said it was wrong. We need new people running these agencies in the countries.

a reply to: chr0naut

please provide links to everything you just claimed.

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: Tarantula777
a reply to: zandra

That article is very informative and legit'. My experience of the vaccine is that it has done some damage to my immune system.

I had 2 shots of the AstraZeneca vaccine. After the first shot I felt very poorly for many days. After the second I did not notice the side effects as much.

I have never had Covid virus, but I believe the vaccine has had a severe effect on my immune system, just as this article states.

My energy levels have been much less since I had the vaccine. I have a continuing infection in my sinuses like nothing I have ever had that just keeps coming back and disappearing again. I have strange aches and pains in my legs and back that come and go too. I have periods of complete exhaustion. I never had anything liker these symptoms before in my entire life. My uncle actually got dangerously bursting blood vessels just after being vaccinated by this vaccine too. I am athletic and do some very dynamic physical activities. I am not performing anything like as well now. I think they have poisoned us all in their rush to make money out of us.

I feel totally deceived by the government and the medical/scientific establishment. I will never have any vaccine from them again. I have no trust in them now. This has all been about making money in a new and developing multi billion dollar industry that they will keep using to extact wealth from the tax payers via the governments.

They are as evil as Hitler's fascists. Warren Buffet and Bill gates should be held accountable and all the others involved too. I hope there will be multi lawsuits upon them for the rest of their lives. They have been exploiting human beings all over the planet to make money. Look at Warren Buffet. Take a long hard look at him. What do you all think about what he has done to you to make all his billions?

Watch out, Warren. You are not going to get out of what is coming for you. That is JUSTICE.

You watch how they keep pushing vaccines on us. The latest they have tried is Polio. They will try to make billions out of that too. Jabbing us for profit is their latest way of milking us cash cows.

“All about making money” is best case scenario. Curious did you not have time to read about it, trust what’s on the tv, or just not believe anything to the contrary of the establishment?

Im not a vax purest, but I did get one J&J shot .
My question is simple : If it’s all about cash , then why would the TBTB want too kill their money source yyy

originally posted by: Aguythatflys
a reply to: chr0naut

please provide links to everything you just claimed.

Why, none of it was difficult to find, even from the article in the link from the OP.

And I have provided supportive links previously in these plandemic/anti-vax threads and people continue to repeat the same nonsense, despite it being easily and fully debunked.

If you were truly skeptical about things before forming your opinions, you would check things out and weigh the evidence for yourself. Reliance on third party 'fact-checkers', or someone else to tell you what to believe, is just laziness.

originally posted by: Tarantula777
a reply to: zandra

That article is very informative and legit'. My experience of the vaccine is that it has done some damage to my immune system.

I had 2 shots of the AstraZeneca vaccine. After the first shot I felt very poorly for many days. After the second I did not notice the side effects as much.

I have never had Covid virus, but I believe the vaccine has had a severe effect on my immune system, just as this article states.

My energy levels have been much less since I had the vaccine. I have a continuing infection in my sinuses like nothing I have ever had that just keeps coming back and disappearing again. I have strange aches and pains in my legs and back that come and go too. I have periods of complete exhaustion. I never had anything liker these symptoms before in my entire life. My uncle actually got dangerously bursting blood vessels just after being vaccinated by this vaccine too. I am athletic and do some very dynamic physical activities. I am not performing anything like as well now. I think they have poisoned us all in their rush to make money out of us.

I feel totally deceived by the government and the medical/scientific establishment. I will never have any vaccine from them again. I have no trust in them now. This has all been about making money in a new and developing multi billion dollar industry that they will keep using to extact wealth from the tax payers via the governments.

They are as evil as Hitler's fascists. Warren Buffet and Bill gates should be held accountable and all the others involved too. I hope there will be multi lawsuits upon them for the rest of their lives. They have been exploiting human beings all over the planet to make money. Look at Warren Buffet. Take a long hard look at him. What do you all think about what he has done to you to make all his billions?

Watch out, Warren. You are not going to get out of what is coming for you. That is JUSTICE.

You watch how they keep pushing vaccines on us. The latest they have tried is Polio. They will try to make billions out of that too. Jabbing us for profit is their latest way of milking us cash cows.

I’ve just consulted with my spirit guide, Brad. He’s giving me the word ‘Wuss’…

a reply to: MeatHookReality

Because the Elite see the grreat masses as simply Eaters and takers and there are too many of us.
The Georgia Guidestones declare their purpose, Bill Gates talks about it in his Ted Talks and other speeches.
IN General, the ruling class hate us.

No matter what,
there will always be mountains of money to be made and power to be exerted no matter how many people there are.
Plus, it's easier to control a population with fewer people than a bunch of people who finally see through their matrix of illlusion.

PLUS - There are Trillions to be made on Gender Disphoria and the entire pharmaceutical establishment behind that degeneracy.

originally posted by: Zenchuck
a reply to: chr0naut

...the letter to the editor makes reference to a Swedish study published in The Lancet, and says that the Lancet study shows that immune function in vaccinated participants was lower than among unvaccinated participants. The Lancet study does not show that at all...

How do you explain the vaccine effectiveness dropping below 0% after 8 months?

Negative vaccine effectiveness, you say?

So the vaccine gives you the disease?

Here is another article from the UK, in which the Vaccine Effectiveness was found to be negative 300% - or that you would be 3x as likely to catch Covid a second time after taking the treatment.

So, the vaccine not only gives you COVID-19, it does so three times! That's a lot!

...real-world data suggest that infection rates are generally highest in the triple vaccinated, with the lowest infection rates in the unvaccinated...

This data is compiled by UK Health Security Agency.

Perhaps it is actually showing a 300% less likelihood of getting severe COVID-19?

Link:
dailysceptic.org...

Is this a misrepresentation of the data perpetrated by insane anti-vax zealots, or is this real world data showing us that our theory needs an adjustment?

Or it could be you reading the graph wrong because you have a misunderstanding of the way the mathematics is applied, and from which the graph is drawn?

If you only accept big names in science, what about Peter Doshi? He is expressing his interest in more careful examination of risk vs reward.

Peter Doshi is a magazine senior editor. He does have an associate professorship with the University of Maryland School of Pharmacy. His published papers are almost all critical of current vaccine approval processes, advocating for increased vigilance and tighter constraints on what is acceptable. All vaccines (and significantly influenza vaccines), not just COVID-19 vaccines.

If you were not already aware, here is his preprint article showing that not only are the injections losing in the battle against Covid, but they are doing more overall harm than good as they increase the absolute health risk. More are having severe side effects from the shots than the number benefited by avoiding severe Covid.

papers.ssrn.com...

The real conspiracy here is this paper will likely remain a preprint and never see the light of day. There is that much pressure sitting on this thing. So many brilliant people who got it wrong and have to accept they got it wrong.

The paper does not advocate for the immediate suspension of all vaccines, but rather, advocates for increasing levels of safety. Something that should always be sought after in modern medicine. The paper is relevant and puts a real and cogent case, but it isn't anti-vax.

Anti-vaxxers have misinterpreted this push for better science and increased assurance as fitting their agenda, and have 'spun' their articles with that in mind.

“A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” - Max Planck

"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum.

a reply to: chr0naut

That was weak. You basically used an ad hominem and cheesy quote with a few questions thrown in. At this point even replying with this level of response looks worse than not responding at all.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Aguythatflys
a reply to: chr0naut

please provide links to everything you just claimed.

Why, none of it was difficult to find, even from the article in the link from the OP.

And I have provided supportive links previously in these plandemic/anti-vax threads and people continue to repeat the same nonsense, despite it being easily and fully debunked.

If you were truly skeptical about things before forming your opinions, you would check things out and weigh the evidence for yourself. Reliance on third party 'fact-checkers', or someone else to tell you what to believe, is just laziness.

If you're going to claim something you must provide evidence/links or it is just your opinion. Its simple as that. Your version of debunking things is posting some pfizer sponsored links and saying "there here's evidence" All while saying
"Everyone who has experienced any form of side effect is lying and every doctor that comes forth is not qualified" Please provide nonbiased independent research. You're the one making statements trying to debunk literally everything.

So from hence forth everything you claim i will take with a grain of salt.

You say its laziness to not do your own research.. and i say it laziness to not provide evidence to back up your claims.

Also may i ask what your profession is?

a reply to: zandra

According to USA Today C19 vaxs and boosters are safe and effective just listen to our experts.

a reply to: chr0naut

Negative vaccine effectiveness, you say?

So the vaccine gives you the disease?

Let me start first by saying I have appreciated your contribution to these discussions immensely. You appear to have a background in the topic and offer cogent arguments. I am not interested in any games of one-upmanship and frankly would not consider myself qualified in the field at all. I have only become interested due to the massive disruption this has caused in my personal life over the past few years. I wanted to clarify my position.

I had a look at the Pfizer clinical trial when it was published. It showed fewer cases of severe Covid in the vaccine arm vs the control arm. This ratio of good was determined to be 100%, meaning that the harm was decreased by half. This is my understanding of that trial data.

When I look at the study mentioned at the start of this thread, I see that the benefit decreases over time. After 8 months becoming a negative benefit. My understanding of this data is that after 8 months you will be more likely to have severe covid if you have had 2 mRNA injections. 20% more likely in this case - with a graph line that continues to drop.

Am I mistaken in my simple way of looking at these studies? I am happy to be corrected.

originally posted by: Aguythatflys

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Aguythatflys
a reply to: chr0naut

please provide links to everything you just claimed.

Why, none of it was difficult to find, even from the article in the link from the OP.

And I have provided supportive links previously in these plandemic/anti-vax threads and people continue to repeat the same nonsense, despite it being easily and fully debunked.

If you were truly skeptical about things before forming your opinions, you would check things out and weigh the evidence for yourself. Reliance on third party 'fact-checkers', or someone else to tell you what to believe, is just laziness.

If you're going to claim something you must provide evidence/links or it is just your opinion. Its simple as that. Your version of debunking things is posting some pfizer sponsored links and saying "there here's evidence" All while saying
"Everyone who has experienced any form of side effect is lying and every doctor that comes forth is not qualified" Please provide nonbiased independent research. You're the one making statements trying to debunk literally everything.

So from hence forth everything you claim i will take with a grain of salt.

You say its laziness to not do your own research.. and i say it laziness to not provide evidence to back up your claims.

Also may i ask what your profession is?

Exactly, every single thing he posts is sponsored by Pfizer.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Yeah, they have been saying it since the beginning. But got Censored, lost their jobs and licenses. Sadly, a lot of people didn't take all the censorship as a warning. I feel sorry for everyone who is suffering. But there were plenty of signs that what was going on was NOT a good thing. That people should of waited, waited and spent hours reading before injecting this.

A lot of people were decieved because of the 'false' FDA approval on a vaccine that was never even used in ANY country because pfizer didn't want to lose the 'protection' of the EUA. So they clearly stated, "While this vaccine is approved by the FDA to fight covid, we will NOT be making the approved version of the vaccine available, at any time now or in the foreseeable future."

So people thought that the 'vaccine' they were injected with was approved. Because the FDA did approve an actual vaccine without the EUA. But that vaccine was NEVER released to the public. So many people got the shot without even realizing they had been had.

originally posted by: HotChicken
a reply to: MeatHookReality

Because the Elite see the grreat masses as simply Eaters and takers and there are too many of us.
The Georgia Guidestones declare their purpose, Bill Gates talks about it in his Ted Talks and other speeches.
IN General, the ruling class hate us.

No matter what,
there will always be mountains of money to be made and power to be exerted no matter how many people there are.
Plus, it's easier to control a population with fewer people than a bunch of people who finally see through their matrix of illlusion.

PLUS - There are Trillions to be made on Gender Disphoria and the entire pharmaceutical establishment behind that degeneracy.

I pose a real question based in logic here :
Viruses don’t just attack the poor & useless of society. The Federal Government has forced in mass vaccines to it’s military & workers . Not to mention all your medical people, engineers, nuclear plant workers , food chain suppliers, truckers , city workers , State employees, infrastructure maintenance workers , police , scientists etc… So you are saying that the Elite are going to wipe out massive numbers of people who maintain the world the Elite like to live in ???
Your logic is very strange & unhealthy for you & society.
The Elite hate each other.. how do you think they are going to get along long enough to accomplish your theory.
In regards to your Georgia guide stones …
Ive been a practicing member of the oldest & first secret society lodge here in America The Confraternity of the Rose Cross & there is absolutely nothing in the Emerald Tablets or the works of The Three unknown Philosophers… Those stones were erected by some nut who had zero experience with any Rosicrucian vein of Intent . The guy wanted to bring blame on a Society that he believes is rooted in evil . It would be akin to Alex Jones erecting in secret a monument that declares the guilt of the FBI in all these school shootings. Just so he can further his insane conspiracy theories.
Rosicrucians stand for a personal journey that is one of non-corporal magic that is produced by changing your corporal world through geometric sounds , actions & Light gathering. Rosicrucians stand outside of religion & politics offering clues to help you solve a never ending riddle bound by the fear of death & hope of light manifested through confidence of hard work .
If I chisel a statement that Kennedy was killed by the CIA & signed it RC , does that stand as undeniable proof of an evil Rosicrucian hand ?
You live in conjecture & fabricate more insanity in your life than any secret society could ever do .
Im in a Martinist Order as well & we laugh at all the bs people think about Hermetic tree of life societies.

Not all men are meant to walk hidden paths .
The average man makes things up when he is confused or scared . Confusion & Fear is what is to be pursued with dignity & rational actions inside an irrational animal mind .
My candle creates wax as it burns … what does your candle do ? Lol
This Thursday night face East , close your eyes & ill visit your dark mind from across the Void .
Sulphur Mercury Salt 4/3 4/3 4/3 HHHH
My words exist in geometric form .
Nite Nite Neophyte

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: zandra

According to USA Today C19 vaxs and boosters are safe and effective just listen to our experts.

Need more high-profile people getting sick (or worse) from them. That always get the attention of the masses.

Unfortunately, they all may have followed Congress's and the White House's lead, by staying away from the so-called Covid-19 "vaccines".

a reply to: zandra

Read your source again.

It says nothing about the immune system. It refers to immunity and immune function...in critically ill patient.

Deny ignorance.

no need to be a dick dude
a reply to: andy06shake