Will Desantis be Voted out Due to his Disney Gamble?

a reply to: JAGStorm

He may be a future contender for US president as his actions are very popular not only in his own state of the US but also around the US and also around the larger world as well.

People are sick of big corrupt corporations getting away with breaking the law and being a law unto themselves.

In Disney's case this was actually totally true they were a law unto themselves but then they went too far and got into social engineering and corrupting peoples kid's or so the current Bob in charge has wanted to be the case with an over representation of minority's and an under representation of the actual demographic of Disney's customer base (very harmful to it's established customer base so stupid as well) and introducing themes that are NOT in the spirit of old Walt Disney's wish to provide wholesome entertainment, in fact if Walt was alive he would kick the two bob's out of the door so fast they would skip like flat stones on water.

As for that money I have no doubt that it will somehow be gathered and with Disney now having to pay taxes Disney will still end up paying for those thing's over time through those taxes since while he has abolished there status as an affective independent nation within his state Florida is still probably the best place for them and many other large corporations to base there business.

My guess is NO he won't lose his seat because of this and in fact may be far more popular than he was even before this, it was a very popular move and let's be fair Disney brought this on themselves attempting to brainwash kid's and the public and in fact Disney's share holders have to do some serious thinking about getting rid of there two bob's before they trash there investment any further.

Remember what Walt Disney's Disney used to be about (other than making money), Good defeating Evil, Handsome Prince saves Beautiful princess and slays evil dragon, Don't play with Sorcery there is no shortcut to hard work etc.

And it was not only Disney, Lucas had that same vein so too did the creator of BSG back in the day and the rot only set in sometimes in the 90's and has gotten ever worse since, some would blame a secret Satanic sect that is rumoured to be in charge of entertainment and they would probably be correct but others equally correct would just blame bad people in charge of the industry pandering to what they think will sell or in the case of the Bobs in charge at Disney chasing there own ulterior motives whatever there source and abusing there position AND the investment of the Disney shareholders to push there own agenda from that position of power which being in charge of that corporation gives them.

This Senator has merely done the right thing, for many it is nice to see someone at least in some nation even if it is NOT our own do the right thing for once and we looking in can see how the majority of people applaud his actions as do we.

a reply to: matafuchs

yup! Which is why I asked the questions of the poster so they can define their position with some integrity because I don't get what they seem to be saying.

a reply to: JAGStorm

No.

originally posted by: misskat1
It seems sad to me that this magical world which rakes in huge piles of cash, is located in the poorest area. I'm not saying its Disney's job to elevate peoples lives, but wouldn't most of Disney workers live in these areas? If so, how bad is their wages?

I did a thread

The US Govt Are Pretending to Be Tough on Russia while degenerating the US/EU population

What Disney had been pushing recently is just a example of this degenerating issue on the population. Disney shouldn't be making those kind of things.

They are after all supposed to be "Family Friendly"

If they dont want to be refereed to be family friendly they can move out of the state.

a reply to: JAGStorm

REEDY CREEK IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT CHAPTER 67-764

Section 56
Pledge by the State of Florida to the Bond Holders of the District and to the Federal Government

The State of Florida pledges to the holders of any bonds issued under this Act that it will not limit or alter the rights of the District to own, acquire, construct, reconstruct, improve, maintain, operate or furnish the projects or to levy and collect the taxes, assessments, rentals, rates, fees, tolls, fares and other charges provided for herein and to fulfill the terms of any agreement made with the holders of such bonds or other obligations, that it will not in any way impair the rights or remedies of the holders, and that it will not modify in any way the exemption from taxation provided in the Act, until all such bonds together with interest thereon, and all costs and expenses in connection with any action or proceeding by or on behalf of such holders, are fully met and discharged.

If I'm reading that correctly that only says the bonds need to be paid off. It doesn't say who needs to foot the bill. Disney took out the bonds, they should be liable. With a valuation north of US$200B I hope they can manage. If Disney tries and offloads the debt to the counties it currently resides in they should have the plans ready to seize and liquidate assets as necessary to satisfy these debts.

The ending of Mickey's fiefdom needs to be soon. No other corporation, to my knowledge, has their level of autonomy within the state. DeSantis has four votes from this household that he didn't have in this last election. I know we're not the only ones.

I live in Florida. I voted for DeSantis. He and the legislature passed a bill removing all the testbooks with CRT and other race based /divisive content. They also ban all the books that do things like teach children to masturbate. There is nothing in the bill about "Don't Say Gay!" or any reference to gays. The Left has given the bill that name and it is a total lie. The bill also denies training to allow 5 y/os to decide gender and treatment.
Disney, which has made trillions selling supposedly wholesome entertainment to children suddenly announced that all their new products were going to include genderIzation and teaching children that LGBT is normal and encouraging it.Floirda has repeatedly reported as one of the top states, lowest fatalities and highest economic growth in relation to covid. They were one of the first states to repeal mask mandates and did not drop covid infected pts. into nursing homes which blue states did which resulted in an epidemic of covid deaths.
I talk to many of my friends whe voted for Biden and the anti trump agenda, and while they won't admit they made a mistake they all say they are fed up the democommunist party and will not support any democommunist candidates. As one of them said " I fought in a war to preserve freedom of life, liberty and speech, I have supported democrats all my life, but I am not supporting this bull#!"

Banning math books 📚 is always the road 🛣️ to where? Oh yeah 👍, some call it progress..

The Disney debacle is gonna consume him.. Let's think about who has smarter lawyers, more lawyers, more money for lawyers, than Disney. And, what portion of the economy is driven by the mouse 🐀?


Colossally bad idea.. plus, there are old deals when Florida was broke and needed 💰.. Contracts broken by the state?. Another win..

Pretty soon Florida man will be the elected Governor..


Banning books.. math. Books.. and leading a Christian crusade against ... I just can't...

I didn't read the article... not going to have a click on that site; but i have heard the argument that these municipalities will have to spend more money...

They also will be making more money. A lot more money. The county will now get to appraise Disney property for taxation. Tax appraising has a number of things they look for on a plot of land. For instance, a piece of land with one laid foundation gets taxed less than a neighboring property with 2 foundations. Waterfront sites also get appraised as higher value.

Disney has skirted all of these appraisals, but now no longer. I would be willing to bet that the property tax rates of private homes in counties Disney has property are about to go DOWN, because Disney will obviously have the most expensive value on their land by any honest appraiser, and be taxed accordingly by local the municipalities where they reside.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: JAGStorm

An honest question;

Why is it the role of government to help poor people?

Why do we always run to government if we're in trouble?

Why can't people be held accountable for themselves?

What happened to personal responsibility?

Ok, here is another honest question; is it the role of govt to help RICH people get richer? I always thought the role of govt was to "provide for the common good". Not just one social class, but all.

a reply to: DBCowboy

An honest question;

Why is it the role of government to help poor people?

Why do we always run to government if we're in trouble?

Why can't people be held accountable for themselves?

What happened to personal responsibility?

Great question. Half-assed answer.

Blame europe?

Blame Scandinavia for going all "Nordic Model" and influencing the countries that college kids want America to be like?

Honestly that's what I think happened. Michael Moore's fat Canadian ass made socialist countries a grand utopia of socialized medicine, value added tax, and secular humanism. It spread from the dorm room.

Its a lot like how all the hippies all got sold volumes of new age crap by Norman Vincent Peale and anarchism by Abby Hoffman in the Age of Aquarius. Of course finding Marx stimulating and insightful along the way. Any status quo over 30 could not be trusted.

I think what is happening is history is trying to repreat with the word "hippie" replaced by "woke", and "anyone over 30" replaced by "anything before 1990".

** Giving myself the award the thread's most unpopular comment now. **

a reply to: JAGStorm

No.

Those two counties and their residents will be sacrificed in the event of.

My opinion is this is a symbollic move more than a legal one. I believe he'd follow through, but I think this a more to take a stand for his constituency and maybe garner attention for also being against a lesbian couple in every commercial and gay character in every kids movie.

Like George Wallace blocking The University of Alabama from desegregating, only a milder lite version with LGBT-centric ideals. I'm sure if DeSantis is overpowered by The Fed he would say something along the lines of,

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say traditional American values now, traditional American values tomorrow, traditional american values forever".

Rationale for comparrison: If a kids movie was like a cafe in 1955 and only strait characters were allowed at the counter then the forced inclusion of a gay character is like a sit in. At the time desegration was as taboo as gay disney characters are today.

Its just shifted a bit left since the 50's.

No, he wont the bonds trace back to disney not to the state of florida or those counties.

Will disney try to say by dissolving the free city status then florida owns it sure, no doubt so it will go to a judge.

Then I guess it will come down to what judge gets it, an activist or a pragmatist.

in my dumb redneck opinion, disney took out the bonds, disney is on the hook for them, if they try to weasel out as some have mentioned I would imagine the state will have the right to claim building, equipment, and land to cover the cost.

Ugly sure, but lotta americans are annoyed with the mouse house lately, yes the twitter outrage brigade will go into over drive but the rest will shrug and probably not care while gas continues to climb, food costs continue to climb and the border stays wide open to anyone and everything that wants it.

Disney shoulda kept their mouth shut, this was the perfect snip storm for desantis to do this that idiot ceo didnt read the room before flapping his gums.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Florida has already acknowledged they will own the debt. But the taxes they will get far exceed the debt, which is why Disney is now saying Florida doesn't have the power to do this and things will stay as they are.

originally posted by: StoutBroux
a reply to: matafuchs

yup! Which is why I asked the questions of the poster so they can define their position with some integrity because I don't get what they seem to be saying.

I don't like Desantis and I am also NOT a liberal.

I'm merely curious what others surmised from the situation. He won by less than HALF a percentage point in 2018.
If that goes up dramatically it can really change the future of politics in Florida and also influence American politics as a whole. I also live in a swing state, and what happens here has a profound impact on the US as a whole.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Voted INTO the WhiteHouse, probably.....

a reply to: JAGStorm


No

You'd think Disney paying more taxes to Florida would result in Florida being able to fund programs for the poor with more $$.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
You'd think Disney paying more taxes to Florida would result in Florida being able to fund programs for the poor with more $$.

What Desantis did doesn't impact how much Disney pays in corporate taxes.

a reply to: Irishhaf

www.npr.org...

As the state moved against Disney, the district's bond debt quickly became a worry— particularly in Orange and Osceola counties, which the district straddles. That's because the Florida Senate's own financial impact analysis of the bill found that in most cases when a county takes over a special district, it "shall also assume all indebtedness of the preexisting special district."

County officials have been airing their own concerns about suddenly becoming responsible for providing essential and emergencies services to the area.

"If Reedy Creek goes away, the $105 million it collects to operate services goes away," as Scott Randolph, a Democrat who is the Orange County tax collector, said via Twitter.

It will be interesting how it shakes out. Will the taxes offset the costs? Obviously when this was all enacted in 1967 things were different and it was a benefit to both Disney and the local communities. Times have sure change and I'll say one thing, I'm glad I don't live in those areas, lots of uncertainty.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: jjkenobi
You'd think Disney paying more taxes to Florida would result in Florida being able to fund programs for the poor with more $$.

What Desantis did doesn't impact how much Disney pays in corporate taxes.

It does impact how much they pay in state and local taxes. Why do you think Disney is fighting this so hard?