18,000 Russians dead in Ukraine War .

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u


The president that ordered such stupid missions is gone, his wife was thoroughly rejected as a presidential candidate, and we no longer use anything like the 117s as a result of that president's stupidity.

Also the F-117 to the F-22 is like comparing a C-172 to a F-117 lol

a reply to: Ksihkehe

Is this intended for me?

You replied to yourself.


I don't work for anyone related to my ATS activities, but if strings mean rules, then yes, there are some subjects my employer ordered me to not discuss for national security reasons, and I don't ever discuss them.

Tops on that list are EW, Subs, the name of my employer, and anything about our products that isn't already in Jane's.

(We don't produce either subs or EW, though some of our products do dabble in the EW realm through acquisition systems and we produce some things that might be used on subs.)

Other than that I speak for nobody but myself and have no limitations beyond T&C.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


We no longer use the low tech 117s anymore for a start, that certainly changed.

Why so interested in a plane we stopped using decades ago?

Still waiting on evidence for your claim of Russian Su-35 being a stealth plane. But I’ve decided to move on with my life as it might take you some time to find it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

I’ve done nothing but relay the facts.

... and then used those facts to present faulty conclusions.

Cheers

The conclusion that an F-117 was tracked and downed?

Do you know how a lock was achieved on such a stealthy aircraft for its time?

Why was an F-117 shot down in Serbia?

In short, the NATO forces had a massive failure in operation security, OPSEC, that was feeding valuable data to the enemy. The Serbs knew the strike was coming, knew the general route, and knew the F-117s would be flying without electronic warfare support.

So? What does that have to do with anything.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Xtrozero


The president that ordered such stupid missions is gone, his wife was thoroughly rejected as a presidential candidate, and we no longer use anything like the 117s as a result of that president's stupidity.

Yeah sure blame the president and not the technology. President had nothing to do with the fact that 3000 dollar 1960s soviet tech smashed USA 1980s multibillion dollar tech.

And what was your reason again? For the disaster? What caused the malfunction.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u


The president that ordered such stupid missions is gone, his wife was thoroughly rejected as a presidential candidate, and we no longer use anything like the 117s as a result of that president's stupidity.

Also the F-117 to the F-22 is like comparing a C-172 to a F-117 lol

Care to elaborate on your comparison?

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


The plane was used incorrectly by a former president and we haven't used them for decades since, why do you keep bringing up ancient technology that nobody uses anymore?

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


One is like a roundish shaped rock and the other is a Michelin military rated tire.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


It is not a stealth plane, it's russian designers clearly failed miserably.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Ksihkehe

Is this intended for me?

You replied to yourself.

I don't work for anyone related to my ATS activities, but if strings mean rules, then yes, there are some subjects my employer ordered me to not discuss for national security reasons, and I don't ever discuss them.

Tops on that list are EW, Subs, the name of my employer, and anything about our products that isn't already in Jane's.

(We don't produce either subs or EW, though some of our products do dabble in the EW realm through acquisition systems and we produce some things that might be used on subs.)

Other than that I speak for nobody but myself and have no limitations beyond T&C.

T&C prevent me from saying anything else.

a reply to: Ksihkehe


Upset that russian propaganda keeps getting refuted?

I understand.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Ksihkehe

I understand.

I bet you do.

If we both understand each other there isn't much we can accomplish here, right?

a reply to: Ksihkehe


Agreed.

But doesn't change what I gotta do regarding russian propaganda here, both to prevent that propaganda from being effective and to prevent my ATS home from being destroyed like some of the sites where everyone has been spreading russian propaganda.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

ukraine shooting ANYONE not
wearing a blue arm band.
might be a SPY,... better interrogate too

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Do you believe that simply saying "russia propaganda" without source or integrity sways minds to your argument?

I mean it worked for the smooth brains that occupy big tech media on dossiers and laptops, but not here.

Id question your strategy.

a reply to: JinMI


I am not trying to gain any sort of credibility, those that know me here know I have plenty.

I am simply not letting russian propaganda be spread here without an in context rebuttal.

Go to the update thread if you want my sources, everything I've discussed is backed by sources
posted by myself and others there.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I am not trying to gain any sort of credibility, those that know me here know I have plenty.

Thats a clear cut copout. You want to lean on some nebulous credibility while at the same time say youre not here for credibility. Pick one.

I am simply not letting russian propaganda be spread here without an in context rebuttal.

Without sources or credibility. At that, even the most credible here are fallible.

Go to the update thread if you want my sources, everything I've discussed is backed by sources
posted by myself and others there.

False. You may rely on other folks sorcing to push an opinion. Thats not the same as sourcing nor does it reflect the contextual messaging.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: JinMI


I am not trying to gain any sort of credibility, those that know me here know I have plenty.

I am simply not letting russian propaganda be spread here without an in context rebuttal.

Go to the update thread if you want my sources, everything I've discussed is backed by sources
posted by myself and others there.

Call me a Russian agent again.

You're definitely winning the credibility war.

a reply to: Ksihkehe


Did I ever call you a russian agent?

I didn't intend to.

I did accurately expose a couple apartment 29 and wumao who were quickly banned once mods figured it out in the first days of the invasion, and I suspect there is still one apartment 29 still here (haven't ever named him, but it is one specific user that isn't you), but I never suspected you, we've had many conversations during previous ATS visits.

a reply to: JinMI


I lean on no 'credibility' other than the inability to be baited or debunked.

I rely on the peer reviewed sources in the update thread where I've been active from day 1 of the invasion, and haven't discussed any information that isn't already covered there.