Suggestions for stopping the war

I believe Ukraine and NATO should have never said they would put Ukraine in NATO. By no means though did I support this war by Putin.

But reality should have guided them to say we’ll let Ukraine be nonaligned. Maybe for 20 or 30 years. Maybe that would have restrained Russia.


In every war like this, in order to settle it or stop it or prevent it, compromises must be made. At this point what do we think can stop this war?


Ceasefire? Would Russia stop now? I doubt it but if NATO and Ukraine demanded Russia stop and that Ukraine would be for least say 20 years nonaligned, would that do it, as an example. Or has the war gone too far?
Let’s try to get real suggestions to end this bloodshed and maybe save the world from destruction. It's that serious at this point.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
I believe Ukraine and NATO should have never said they would put Ukraine in NATO. By no means though did I support this war by Putin.

But reality should have guided them to say we’ll let Ukraine be nonaligned. Maybe for 20 or 30 years. Maybe that would have restrained Russia.


In every war like this, in order to settle it or stop it or prevent it, compromises must be made. At this point what do we think can stop this war?


Ceasefire? Would Russia stop now? I doubt it but if NATO and Ukraine demanded Russia stop and that Ukraine would be for least say 20 years nonaligned, would that do it, as an example. Or has the war gone too far?
Let’s try to get real suggestions to end this bloodshed and maybe save the world from destruction. It's that serious at this point.

put all warmongers in jail.

INCLUDING internet trolls. some idiots here wouldn't be delighted to hear that it's actually illegal to call for war. heck, you can go to jail because of it already. yet they keep yapping at how "west good, russia bad, lets fight".

and then let putin finish his job. russia will do what russia wants, there's no stopping it whatsoever. then they'll leave ukraine. if not - that's for another discussion. until then, all we can do is wait and DO NOT intervene.

Clamp down on russian mob stuff, seriously impair their ability to make money and they will snuff putin and his inner circle I think.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
I believe Ukraine and NATO should have never said they would put Ukraine in NATO. By no means though did I support this war by Putin.

But reality should have guided them to say we’ll let Ukraine be nonaligned. Maybe for 20 or 30 years. Maybe that would have restrained Russia.


In every war like this, in order to settle it or stop it or prevent it, compromises must be made. At this point what do we think can stop this war?


Ceasefire? Would Russia stop now? I doubt it but if NATO and Ukraine demanded Russia stop and that Ukraine would be for least say 20 years nonaligned, would that do it, as an example. Or has the war gone too far?
Let’s try to get real suggestions to end this bloodshed and maybe save the world from destruction. It's that serious at this point.

sure like Hong Kong SAR. 1 country 2 systems?

i doubt it would last.
or putin for that matter.

maybe the next guy will be worse.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

It's hard to not agree with your implicit point that Russia can’t be stopped.

Why should they stop? Well, the only hope would be that Putin sees a dead end here and is given a face-saving outlet to come to some agreement to a real cease-fire for humanitarian purposes.
Of course, we know Putin Is not a humanitarian, but the point is he gets a face-saving way out.

Eventually, an agreement can be made to keep Ukraine non-aligned, and the sanctions can be stopped.

All that may be fantasy but were looking for ideas, possibilities, even miracles maybe.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: jedi_hamster

It's hard to not agree with your implicit point that Russia can’t be stopped.

Why should they stop? Well, the only hope would be that Putin sees a dead end here and is given a face-saving outlet to come to some agreement to a real cease-fire for humanitarian purposes.
Of course, we know Putin Is not a humanitarian, but the point is he gets a face-saving way out.

Eventually, an agreement can be made to keep Ukraine non-aligned, and the sanctions can be stopped.

All that may be fantasy but were looking for ideas, possibilities, even miracles maybe.

russia wants neutral ukraine. logically, they will make it happen, unless stopped by the west.

when they do make it happen, there's no point in them staying in ukraine, and when they'll leave, the whole situation will deescalate.

waiting is the only logical course of action, everything else is looking for a pretext to start a WW3.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

That is why this is so goddam dangerous

Other communication channels can be taken advantage of to come to some implicit agreement on future commitments to stop this slaughter. In foreign affairs, it's often private channels that are used to get the parties to come to agreements. They call those back channels. In this case, there are so many sides, such as now Israel, France, Germany, and of course the US and maybe even some of these Oligarchs can be used to get to Putin’s hard head to convince him he can be given some things such as guarantees that Ukraine will remain nonaligned for let’s say 20 or 30 years, and Russia can have a say in Eastern Ukraine.

Putin has to weigh any gains he has and may make against an uncertain and danger-filled future.

Ukraine, on the other hand, has to be more humble and concede certain things. They know now NATO will not start WWIII for them.

a reply to: peaceinoutz


Russia removing all russians from all Ukraine.

THAT is what stops this war.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Not if they have gained any substantial territory. Putin would need a big concession to do that.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Clamp down on russian mob stuff, seriously impair their ability to make money and they will snuff putin and his inner circle I think.

If the EU/USA stops buying oil and natural gas, Putin will be overthrown by the powerful and the poor, in less than 6 months.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Clamp down on russian mob stuff, seriously impair their ability to make money and they will snuff putin and his inner circle I think.

If the EU/USA stops buying oil and natural gas, Putin will be overthrown by the powerful and the poor, in less than 6 months.

in less than 6 months.

We need him overthrown in 6 days!

a reply to: carewemust

Putin will be overthrown by the powerful and the poor, in less than 6 months.

Only so they could install someone like Boris Yeltsin again?

a reply to: peaceinoutz

I've said it for a long time, and I still maintain it.

The two old powers will never start to coexist until they sit together as equals.

I imagine many in Russia are outright offended that Germany and Japan got redemption and the full blessings of the west even after what they did. And yet Russia, who mostly engaged in a cold war (more to that) got blacklisted and treated like a child when they shed their skin of the USSR.

We've had a complicated history. Though they started with the Germans in WWII, they paid in more blood than anyone to defeating them.

And in the cold war, though they helped fuel a worldwide fear, the dynamics of East vs West thay sparked a revolution in science, exploration, and innovation. Many of their best minds helping in many of the leaps we all get to jump off from.

Maybe I'm ideolistic, but I really believe it starts there. That we trade arrogance for humanity and simply acknowledge that when we sit at the table. The realist part of me knows that doesn't solve everything, but it's as good of a place as any to start.

I'm not sure it can be stopped at this point. Putin had conferences with other world leaders who stepped in because Biden refused to negotiate with him. Putin made concessions and Biden refused to accept them. Now Putin is pi**ed and going for broke.

Biden proved he is far more stubborn than Putin. Now, they are both sacrificing millions of citizens the world over.

I don't think Biden would be open to peace negotiations that require any kind of concessions judging by his past behavior.

We're going to have to ride this one out.

a reply to: carewemust

If the EU/USA stops buying oil and natural gas

If they stop buying gas and oil it would be bad for the economy in Europe if isn't already. The LNG gas wont be enough to replace the Russian gas/oil.

a reply to: nugget1

I don't think Biden would be open to peace negotiations that require any kind of concessions judging by his past behavior.

At this rate whose even running things at the Biden admin? whoever they are desperate trying to push a hot conflict.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Not if they have gained any substantial territory. Putin would need a big concession to do that.

You're iving in putin's fantasy land.

putin is getting no concession, other than *maybe* keeping his naval base.

russia will leave the rest of Ukraine with ZERO concessions of any kind, and financial penalties will continue until Ukraine is made whole and russia disarms itself of all offensive capabilities.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I imagine many in Russia are outright offended that Germany and Japan got redemption and the full blessings of the west even after what they did. And yet Russia, who mostly engaged in a cold war (more to that) got blacklisted and treated like a child when they shed their skin of the USSR.

This is because Russia became the enemy. Patton wanted to go ahead and fight Russia. He got killed in an accident but he had no power anyway.

Truman, they say did the Japanese nuclear bomb to among other reasons scare the Russians.

To America's credit, and I rarely praise them, they didn't use the bomb to conquer Russia.

But your right, Russia and the US need to sit down and settle things.

But certain PTB likely don't want things settled when they have an unlimited arms industry profit center.

If the entire planet can't remove Putin from power, humanity will deserve whatever he rains down on us.

a reply to: nugget1


Nonsense.

putin's 'consessions' included keeping half of Ukraine.

That's a DEMAND, not a concession.

putin's living in fantasy land.