B-52 bombers take off from Britain for night mission over Europe

a reply to: Zaphod58

i would think the ground crew or at least the crew Chief would know almost as much as the guys flying


they know how much gas

what weapons

other sensor loadouts

and usually when they are expected back more or less.


those few things can tell you alot, if they are ordered to load up dispensers full of cruise missiles armed with nukes and the wings loaded down with more fire and forget weaponry.

or if they are landing and staying at a base that isn't their home base.



i have seen when we were landing in Chicago a Cessna landing that had ALL sorts of things that were clearly antenna and had an EO ball on the front of it.

we were in a private jet and we were told to taxi to the end of the runway and stay there, and that's when i saw that landing. not the first time i have been flying and told to stay at the end of a runway but only once in a civilian airport.

a reply to: Zaphod58

You don’t have to work Intel to know what they’re doing. You think the ground guys don’t have stories about what the jets get up to? The ground crews know almost as much about what the jets get up to as the guys flying on them.

Right, the crew probably knows they are conducting wide-scale surveillance, I think it's pretty obvious by the plane and crew. They might know it's for homeland security or on whom they are watching, etc... but most of them wouldn't know the data or the specifics that the intel ops are gathering.

They aren’t flying military aircraft over your head trying to find out if you’re cheating on your wife. They use small general aviation aircraft for that.

I agree they use small aircraft for collecting data, but I believe they also use larger aircraft.

There are some military veterans who work in aerospace and in the defense industry that say the military is using R135's to collect data on us. It's not something I just made up and it's not just the R135, they mention other aircraft as well.

Data scoops can catch cheaters, they catch all kinds of stuff... it would be very valuable if it's someone like Trump or a governor, etc. Especially under Biden's corrupt administration.

Without a tracker or someone pointing out the odd flight pattern you wouldn’t know the difference between your neighbors on a flight in a Cessna having fun, and one of these aircraft flying over your head.

I agree, without a tracker most wouldn't have a clue. I was talking about the online flight tracks, spotting trail patterns that would appear to be reconnaissance.

That “suspicious” 135 is flying a simulated mission. They practice their flight paths for when they’re on a real mission. Somewhere under them, in an MOA there is a “communications center” that they’re listening too. There are many MOAs around the country that they train with. Other flights they don’t even carry their mission crew with them.

I believe the R135 has a data collecting range of 300 to 500 miles. If you look at the one flying over Amarillo it's a perfect spot for reconnaissance, It could cover all of Kansas, Oklahoma City, Lubbock, Santa Fe, Albuquerque, Wichita Falls, Parts of Colorado, and even DFW. That is six states with one RC-135 and it looks to be outside of any MOA area.

It could be on a training path, could be spying, etc. It could be many things... There was a high-altitude balloon in the same area. I think it was a Loon at 80,000 ft, they are suspected of spying as well.

I'm not saying I'm right, I could be very wrong... it is just my perspective with a note attached.

Anyway, I think you have too much trust in the government.

I respect your views... Thank you for your service!

a reply to: imitator


I don’t trust the government to tell me the sun will come up tomorrow. I DO have trust in the crews of those aircraft however.

Sure but where are the TR-9's taking off from?

a reply to: The2ndComing83

with Bob Lazars sport model, every Wed. night duh

a reply to: Zaphod58


60-0044, which has been circling Poland today, is showing two buffs with the same build number in the database.

Looks like the airframe and engines were updated and a seat added?

No longer based at Minot?

Am I off base, or is this the 'special' bird I think it is?