The Ancient Egyptian Stones Were Perfectly Precise How is this Possible? Many Qs Little Answers

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

You keep saying that it's impossible, but the fact that the we have examples of such structures of identical or higher quality all over the ancient world that were indisputable done by humans proves that it's possible. The problem isn't that we don't know how it was done, it's that we know 5 or 6 different ways that it could be done but we're not sure which one is correct. For example there are similar structures in Mexico where it is well known who made them and how.

Then show me any of those methods, which you claim would work, to replicate the great pyramid, already!

A complete, usable plan, from start to finish, which would work, to replicate this structure, with the tools of the day.

I can't wait to see it, so please go ahead...

Start here:
Program Management B.C.

Harte

They claim that ramps would've been used, but they don't give any specifications, or even a drawing of it, to show it's structure.

Simply saying they used ramps, large enough for the project, is not a workable plan. Is there any ACTUAL plan for it, since this isn't one...

Of course ramps are a workable plan. Remains of ramps have been found at Giza and several other pyramid sites. Some of those ramps aren't even remains - they were left in place.
There aren't any "specifications" for how the Egyptians built anything ever found in Egypt. Was it ALL aliens/advanced unknown civilizations?

No, I mean that nobody today can make actual specs for it that would ever work in practice.

It sounds good to say they used ramps, until you see what they've drawn! See if you can find some drawings of ramps they made, because it's funny as hell!

a reply to: turbonium1

The old ramps, or the remains of ramps, were NOT used to build the great pyramid, they'd crush down instantly from the weight of one block, before it was halfway on it!

I'm sure those ramps were an attempt by the Egyptians trying to figure out how they were ever built, or used to remove the gold from the capstone, perhaps. And to take credit for building them, like putting their tombs inside of them, and drawing on the walls.

I'd like anyone to demonstrate moving an 80 ton block about 300 feet with a human crew, and ropes, rollers and/or whatever they choose to. How many men would it take to pull it 300 feet? A thousand men couldn't do it, nor a million men, or a billion men.

Try moving an Abrams M1 tank, which weighs about 75 tons, with a human crew. The entire US Army couldn't move it.

That's before trying to lift it up, which is also impossible.

originally posted by: turbonium1
I'd like anyone to demonstrate moving an 80 ton block about 300 feet with a human crew, and ropes, rollers and/or whatever they choose to. How many men would it take to pull it 300 feet? A thousand men couldn't do it, nor a million men, or a billion men.

Try moving an Abrams M1 tank, which weighs about 75 tons, with a human crew. The entire US Army couldn't move it.

That's before trying to lift it up, which is also impossible.

It would actually take fewer than 10 men.

Here's a video showing ONE man moving a 20 ton block Link

We know that humans in the ancient world could do it because there are so many ancient sites where they have done it.

originally posted by: turbonium1

Try moving an Abrams M1 tank, which weighs about 75 tons, with a human crew. The entire US Army couldn't move it.

Tank pulling is actually a thing.

Link

a reply to: turbonium1

We know that the tombs were an original feature because the slabs of stone used to make the ceilings were lowered into place before the structure above them was built. This could only have been done during the building of the pyramid, not afterwards.

The Egyptians also used very smoky fuel for lighting. If the paintings were done after the pyramids were built there would be soot everywhere form the light that the artists used to see by. They were likely done while the pyramid was being built and the corridors where the paintings are were open to daylight.

Find me one Engineer who ever said it could be done and we shall see if you are right.

NOTE:

You won't find one credible Engineer who will back you up.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: HawkEyi
a reply to: Byrd
Ok

[but it was done by humans and is easy to do today

Lets try to do what the Ancient Egyptians did and lets build the same structure using the same methods as they did? dont try to bring in the Las Vegas pyramid into the discussion.

If you think Humans achieved this with using primitive as Obama said so. Lets recreate the same one using their method in today's society.
Its 2022 almost a decade no one or any organization had tried to recreate using the same methods as the Ancient Egyptians did.

If humans built this with such primitive tools just simple ones as modern archaeologists say it is as you are. Lets re create it.

The only reason that we aren't doing this is money. Nobody has put up the cash necessary to pay enough people to actually do it. We've had 10 grad students not used to lifting anything heavier than a book bag failing to move a block over a weekend, and called it a day.

Give me 10,000 skilled stone masons, a couple of top flight architects, a team of 100 surveyors, and a building schedule that's 20 years long, and I will give you a pyramid. I'll take, maybe 10% of the GDP of a medium sized country, you can cut a check for that, right?

originally posted by: Justoneman
Find me one Engineer who ever said it could be done and we shall see if you are right.

NOTE:

You won't find one credible Engineer who will back you up.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: HawkEyi
a reply to: Byrd
Ok

[but it was done by humans and is easy to do today

Lets try to do what the Ancient Egyptians did and lets build the same structure using the same methods as they did? dont try to bring in the Las Vegas pyramid into the discussion.

If you think Humans achieved this with using primitive as Obama said so. Lets recreate the same one using their method in today's society.
Its 2022 almost a decade no one or any organization had tried to recreate using the same methods as the Ancient Egyptians did.

If humans built this with such primitive tools just simple ones as modern archaeologists say it is as you are. Lets re create it.

The only reason that we aren't doing this is money. Nobody has put up the cash necessary to pay enough people to actually do it. We've had 10 grad students not used to lifting anything heavier than a book bag failing to move a block over a weekend, and called it a day.

Give me 10,000 skilled stone masons, a couple of top flight architects, a team of 100 surveyors, and a building schedule that's 20 years long, and I will give you a pyramid. I'll take, maybe 10% of the GDP of a medium sized country, you can cut a check for that, right?

If you read a the "Encyclopedia of Building the Pyramids" released in October 2020, there are several chapters by Zahi Hawass that give all of the details that you're asking for.

Now, find me one credible engineer who explains how the statue of liberty was built. It's a real structure 100% built by humans. I want to see you answer your own question using it as an example.

a reply to: Justoneman

I notice that you've stopped talking about moving the stone blocks after I linked to that video showing how a small team of people could do it.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

You keep saying that it's impossible, but the fact that the we have examples of such structures of identical or higher quality all over the ancient world that were indisputable done by humans proves that it's possible. The problem isn't that we don't know how it was done, it's that we know 5 or 6 different ways that it could be done but we're not sure which one is correct. For example there are similar structures in Mexico where it is well known who made them and how.

Then show me any of those methods, which you claim would work, to replicate the great pyramid, already!

A complete, usable plan, from start to finish, which would work, to replicate this structure, with the tools of the day.

I can't wait to see it, so please go ahead...

Start here:
Program Management B.C.

Harte

They claim that ramps would've been used, but they don't give any specifications, or even a drawing of it, to show it's structure.

Simply saying they used ramps, large enough for the project, is not a workable plan. Is there any ACTUAL plan for it, since this isn't one...

Of course ramps are a workable plan. Remains of ramps have been found at Giza and several other pyramid sites. Some of those ramps aren't even remains - they were left in place.
There aren't any "specifications" for how the Egyptians built anything ever found in Egypt. Was it ALL aliens/advanced unknown civilizations?

No, I mean that nobody today can make actual specs for it that would ever work in practice.

It sounds good to say they used ramps, until you see what they've drawn! See if you can find some drawings of ramps they made, because it's funny as hell!

There is some evidence of an interior ramp as well.

I won't argue this with you, but I WILL point out that over half the volume of any pyramid is in the bottom 1/3 of the structure. In other words, they were already halfway done before any large cumbersome ramp was needed.
You should also consider the fact that, as you go up the pyramid, the stones used get smaller and smaller.

Personally, I believe that spiral ramps (plural) were used (once about 30 or 40 meters height was obtained with multiple straight ramps up each side,) and the surfaces on the top as it was being built held ramps rising up to other levels.
In other words, they didn't do one level at a time.

Lastly, the Grand Gallery is itself a ramp, and was probably used (with counterweights) to lift the large granite stones you're talking about (there's only a few dozen of those - and the Grand Gallery leads precisely to where those stones are today.) There is some slight evidence of this as well.

Harte

There aren't any specifications for how many of the old cathedrals in Europe were built either. Don't see anyone questioning those though, even though some are contemporary with Hindu temples that people think were built with some unknown tech.

With craftsman they didnt need plans.Surveyors would have laid out the groundwork and the stone masons would have worked out the rest through hundreds of years of past knowledge.Knowledge that is passed down from master to apprentice.Its still used today in master trades.Im a sheetmetal worker and have done a lot of fabrication work.You are taught in a 4 year apprenticeship and then as a tradesman you apply it to what your doing.A lot of time you work things out with a bit of chalk on the floor or sketches on paper.Math is the most important tool you have and back then the Egyptian craftsman were held in high regard like a priest hood.

many details, best answers so far and parts proven by Dassault Systemes.

a reply to: midicon

So the French micro-gravity survey team was hiding some data that seemed to show a subtle density discrimination.
Its like choosing just one out of all the theories for the Jacob's ladder description as described in Genesis 28.

a reply to: HawkEyi I think it's over thought on how the pyramids were built. After many years on ideas how they built the pyramids, I'm standing firm with my latest thought. They were Masters of Concrete. "Terrazzo: The Background
In fact, it’s been around for ages – examples of terrazzo flooring have even been discovered in ancient Egyptian mosaics. Terrazzo is a composite construction material made by combining chips of aggregates such as marble or stone with either concrete or epoxy-resin." Be Safe

originally posted by: turbonium1
The old ramps, or the remains of ramps, were NOT used to build the great pyramid, they'd crush down instantly from the weight of one block, before it was halfway on it!

I'm sure those ramps were an attempt by the Egyptians trying to figure out how they were ever built, or used to remove the gold from the capstone, perhaps. And to take credit for building them, like putting their tombs inside of them, and drawing on the walls.

In fairness, it is important to note that Egypt's history spans over 5,000 years, right? Some depictions might be Egyptians living in 1000 BC trying to guess how a structure was built in 4000 BC, after all useable records have been lost.

But that's also why we have to be careful taking them at their word. If a depiction wasn't made near the time of the actual construction, it is very likely just a later generation trying to guess how a previous generation did it.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: turbonium1
The old ramps, or the remains of ramps, were NOT used to build the great pyramid, they'd crush down instantly from the weight of one block, before it was halfway on it!

I'm sure those ramps were an attempt by the Egyptians trying to figure out how they were ever built, or used to remove the gold from the capstone, perhaps. And to take credit for building them, like putting their tombs inside of them, and drawing on the walls.

In fairness, it is important to note that Egypt's history spans over 5,000 years, right? Some depictions might be Egyptians living in 1000 BC trying to guess how a structure was built in 4000 BC, after all useable records have been lost.

But that's also why we have to be careful taking them at their word. If a depiction wasn't made near the time of the actual construction, it is very likely just a later generation trying to guess how a previous generation did it.

They had families of craftsmen, so there was no "guessing" how things were done. Dad (or Mom) would tell them how to do it and would smack the heck out of kids who weren't doing it right.

As to ramps, there are several still in existence from ancient times. Here's a link to a stock photo of the mud brick ramp in place at the temple of Karnak behind the first pylon I've been there and saw it for myself. They began building the temple at the start of the Middle Kingdom, during a time when they were still building pyramids for kings' tombs

originally posted by: murphyslaw1970
a reply to: HawkEyi I think it's over thought on how the pyramids were built. After many years on ideas how they built the pyramids, I'm standing firm with my latest thought. They were Masters of Concrete. "Terrazzo: The Background
In fact, it’s been around for ages – examples of terrazzo flooring have even been discovered in ancient Egyptian mosaics. Terrazzo is a composite construction material made by combining chips of aggregates such as marble or stone with either concrete or epoxy-resin." Be Safe

There are still many things that currently they are hiding about how the pyramids were built. We currently today in the modern times.

We have now all the best tools and technology.

Is it so hard to recreate the same the pyramids as they built them? why no one has tried it yet? afraid?

originally posted by: vNex92

originally posted by: murphyslaw1970
a reply to: HawkEyi I think it's over thought on how the pyramids were built. After many years on ideas how they built the pyramids, I'm standing firm with my latest thought. They were Masters of Concrete. "Terrazzo: The Background
In fact, it’s been around for ages – examples of terrazzo flooring have even been discovered in ancient Egyptian mosaics. Terrazzo is a composite construction material made by combining chips of aggregates such as marble or stone with either concrete or epoxy-resin." Be Safe

There are still many things that currently they are hiding about how the pyramids were built. We currently today in the modern times.

We have now all the best tools and technology.

Is it so hard to recreate the same the pyramids as they built them? why no one has tried it yet? afraid?

What would be the motivation to spend a billion dollars to recreate an utterly useless pile of stone?

Harte

a reply to: Harte

The Grand Gallery that leads up near the center of the pyramid is an amazing engineering challenge regardless of the leverage method used for those granite blocks. I think it would cost in the trillions today, and for what we ask?