Alec Baldwin SHOOTING

originally posted by: CrazyWater
a reply to: dollukka

How do you shoot someone w a prop gun? Something is very fishy here

Prop guns are many times real guns. That's a fail by the both props master and the AD to not check the gun before handing it to the actor.

originally posted by: Vector99
How could a shotgun explain it though?

Seriously, there isn't a possibility it could be something left in the barrel. It would have to be two independent shots or one really high powered one.

I can't imagine the use of a live shotgun round at any point in a movie as a mistake, just doesn't add up.

Why does it have to be 'high powered', whatever TF that is when it comes to shotgun loads? It could just simply have been a live load of buckshot was mixed into the prop loads. Again, I made it clear I was speculating because both the people shot are behind the camera, not in front, and Baldwin might have been pointing the weapon at the camera when it was discharged.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's what an investigation is for.

So the cinematographer and the director were hit. A professional actor can point a gun. Aren't there like super accurate decoy guns? Rethorical, there are. This is suspect at best.

originally posted by: Vector99

Seriously, there isn't a possibility it could be something left in the barrel. It would have to be two independent shots or one really high powered one.

How about several fragments from a failure of the weapon propelled by the blank.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I only said high powered in regards to a single shot, and that single shot being a single round, calm down.

How in the hell could a round of buckshot get mixed in with blanks though?

None of it makes sense at the moment.

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: Vector99

Seriously, there isn't a possibility it could be something left in the barrel. It would have to be two independent shots or one really high powered one.

How about several fragments from a failure of the weapon propelled by the blank.

So you suggest the gun itself blew up and became a projectile?

a reply to: JIMC5499

Blanks are potentially deadly at close range. That fact one person was killed and another was injured raises suspicion. I'm not saying Alec knowing killed someone, but whomever loaded what they are calling a "prop" knew something.

originally posted by: Vector99
How in the hell could a round of buckshot get mixed in with blanks though?

Carelessness and/or incompetence. How did no one check the loads or the barrel (TWO separate instances) in the Lee death?

Stupid **** happens.

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: jerich0

There were a real bullet in that gun chamber which killed Brandon Lee, so if this is the case again there is a conspiracy. I wonder do they check before action that bullets are all fake as they should be.

There was no bullet in the chamber in the Lee incident. It was a small piece of metal in the barrel. Still could have been planted who knows

There was, you know.
The tragic story behind the death of Brandon Lee

During a scene in which a victim looks down the barrel of a gun being loaded, it was discovered that there were no blanks on set. In an effort to save time, the prop guys took the live bullets from the car and modified them into blanks, also creating dummy rounds – which didn’t have gunpowder but kept the lead tip – to be used for close-ups. Unbeknownst to anyone on set, when the dummy round was loaded into the gun for that shot, the lead tip got lodged in the barrel.

Two weeks later, on March 30th, that same gun was used for the scene where Brandon Lee was to be shot by Michael Massee’s character Funboy. The scene called for Lee to walk into his apartment, and then activate a squib – a packet of blood that would simulate the gunshot wound – once Massee fired the gun and fall to the ground. Everything went as planned. The gun went off, the squib went off, and Lee fell down. It wasn’t until after Proyas called cut that anyone realised Lee wasn’t moving. In fact, he was losing a tonne of blood from a silver dime sized bullet wound. Unfortunately, when the gun with the blank was fired it also propelled the lead tip that had been lodged there two weeks earlier, hitting Lee in his abdomen just above his naval.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The question is how someone holds that job. I have firearms and use waaaaaay more precautions. Stupid sh!t shouldn't equal a life. Especially when it's your job and other people have lives on the line.

That said I understand your point. Hollywood should be better armed. They'd be more responsible with deadly tools.

originally posted by: sine.nomine
The question is how someone holds that job. I have firearms and use waaaaaay more precautions.

**** still happens, a la the Lee case.

All it takes is one person to screw up once.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Vector99
How in the hell could a round of buckshot get mixed in with blanks though?

Carelessness and/or incompetence. How did no one check the loads or the barrel (TWO separate instances) in the Lee death?

Stupid **** happens.

Well there is the conspiracy that the chinese mafia made sure both lee's died since Bruce snubbed them and went into US films, but I probably shouldn't post crazy conspiracy stuff on a site like this that adheres to the narrative right?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I edited my post as you posted. Again, I understand, but it's so insanely stupid. Especially given the easily accessible alternatives.

Here's a news week article, talks about what prop guns are and the rounds used.
Even give the name of the actor i mentioned earlier.

In a 2019 article for American Cinematographer, firearms training specialist and coach Dave Brown explained why real guns filled with blanks are often used in film production. Brown, who during his 25-year career working in Hollywood has overseen movies like Capote, Curse of Chucky, and Nobody, said: "The reason is simple: We want the scene to look as real as possible. We want the story and characters to be believable.

In fact, Mental Floss goes on to explain that some blanks can actually be loaded with more gunpowder than a live cartridge, giving them more explosive power with no projectile to launch. "Blanks aren't toys," firearms dealer Bob Lesmeister told the website. "You have to remember that the force of the exploding gas is great enough to fire a bullet."

What Is a Prop Gun, How Can It Kill? Alec Baldwin Discharges Firearm, Killing Crew Member

a reply to: Vector99
It is possible. Some prop weapons have restrictors in the barrel to enable a louder sound and larger muzzle flash with a lighter charge in the blank. If one of these failed it could have came out of the barrel in fragments moving fast enough to kill or injure.

originally posted by: Vector99
Well there is the conspiracy that the chinese mafia made sure both lee's died since Bruce snubbed them and went into US films, but I probably shouldn't post crazy conspiracy stuff on a site like this that adheres to the narrative right?

You can post whatever you want and I'm free to post that I think that's a silly theory.

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: JIMC5499

Blanks are potentially deadly at close range. That fact one person was killed and another was injured raises suspicion. I'm not saying Alec knowing killed someone, but whomever loaded what they are calling a "prop" knew something.

Ask Jon-Erik Hexum, oh wait you can't.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Pretty much what I said earlier.

originally posted by: sine.nomine
I edited my post as you posted. Again, I understand, but it's so insanely stupid. Especially given the easily accessible alternatives.

I agree. It will, in my opinion, sadly be something mundane and easily avoided.