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originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
UPDATE:
While deeper into the book, I searched for some Raelian links and came across this insight into the "movement".
Apparently, they're a Hedonistic Sex Cult now.
Raelian UFO Cult
I'm ascetic, so I am not interested in pursuing the pleasures of the flesh.
Guess I'll stay abstinent but with new insights.
No interest in joining that malarkey.
Such a shame, because this ebook is such a fascinating read otherwise.
originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
By the way, thank you for making this thread.
It certainly caught my attention.
I have been mostly silent and lurking for five years and this is the first thread that has captured my interest.
I would love to compare notes with you.
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Kreeate
Weren't the Raelians the heaven's gate folks?
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In his book Pseudoscience and the Paranormal, Terence Hines states that “careful investigation has resulted in straightforward natural explanations for even very impressive-sounding UFO reports. . . . All these cases make clear the nearly total unreliability of eyewitness reports. In almost every case, the witnesses’ reports differed substantially from the actual stimulus, but in only a very few cases were the witnesses willfully lying. Their knowledge about what UFOs ‘ought’ to look like influenced their reports, along with the effects of visual illusions.”
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The article continued: “The more thorough investigation [summarized in the Condon Report] has clarified the part played by physical and psychological distortions. It has explained how ordinary objects, seen in the sky by persons who do not recognize them under the perhaps unusual circumstances, can be misconstrued in perception, magnified in the telling, further exaggerated in the newspapers, and end up as spaceships landing little green men from Mars.”
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At the time that the Condon Report was in the news, an Awake! contributor discussed privately some of the results with one of the associated scientists working at Boulder, Colorado. The scientist seemed to think that in the unexplained cases, the UFO experiences involved “mental perceptions” of some kind. Thus, although many UFO sightings can be explained scientifically as physical things or wrong identifications, some may involve mental or psychological experiences or perceptions.
Is There an Occult Influence?
When reviewing the mental or psychological experiences of some who have reported contacts with UFO’s, it is also possible to recognize similarities with spiritistic or other paranormal phenomena. One example of this is the testimony of John H. Andrews in his book The Extraterrestrials and Their Reality. In his acknowledgments of help in producing the book, he states: “Great appreciation also goes to the four space people [“ET’s in physical human bodies who circulate unnoticed among us”] who told me their stories and who wished to remain unnamed, to the numerous psychics and channels who assisted me with my many experiments, to the extraterrestrials for their many informative messages.” Regarding these “space people,” he states: “They were all quite intelligent; all were channels for invisible entities.”—Compare 1 Samuel 28:7, 8; Ephesians 6:12.
Andrews also claims to have received messages from extraterrestrials. He lists some of these as: “There is no such thing as death. . . . There is no such thing as good or evil. [Compare Genesis 3:3, 4.] . . . Creation, evolution, and reincarnation are valid processes at work in the Universe. . . . We (the ET’s) are not here to control or rule you, but to guide you. . . . The Earth will soon undergo tremendous, cataclysmic changes. When these changes are completed, less than 1/1,000 of the present population will still be alive!”
The Bible also speaks of extraterrestrials, spirit creatures, such as obedient angels and disobedient, rebellious angels who became demons. Down through Bible history, God on many occasions used faithful angels to communicate with men. (Genesis 22:9-18; Isaiah 6:1-7) Satan still uses his demon followers to mislead mankind with all kinds of philosophies, fads, messages, communications, and cults that distract from the message that God’s Kingdom, his heavenly government, will soon rule over a restored earth.—Compare Luke 4:33, 34; James 2:19; Revelation 12:9; 21:1-4.
The Christian apostle Paul gave due warning of demon influence in the last days when he wrote: “The inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.”—1 Timothy 4:1.
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“In nearly forty years of investigation, not one authentic photo of a UFO has been taken and not one piece of genuine debris or other physical evidence has been found. Impressive-sounding sightings are reported year after year and, year after year, when carefully examined, they disappear into the mists of misperceptions, misidentifications, and hoaxes.”—Pseudoscience and the Paranormal, by Terence Hines.
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“Seldom has any subject been so invested with fraud, hysteria, credulity, religious mania, incompetence, and most of the other unflattering human characteristics.”—The Promise of Space, by Arthur C. Clarke.
“I should like to see these profound words inscribed on the threshold of all the temples of science: ‘The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.’”—Louis Pasteur, 19th-century French scientist.
And inspired many Scientology-like cults and cult leaders to come up with a false story about aliens to draw in the gullible. If you can fall for evolutionary philosophies and myths, you can fall for myths about aliens and other religious myths: The Pagan Religious Roots of Evolutionary Philosophies and Philosophical Naturalism (part 1 of 2).
ACCORDING to science writer Isaac Asimov, this is “a question that, in a way, spoils everything” for those who believe in life on other planets. Originally posed in 1950 by nuclear physicist Enrico Fermi, the question capped an argument that went something like this: If intelligent life has arisen on other planets in our galaxy, many civilizations should now exist that are millions of years ahead of our own. They should have developed interstellar travel long ago and spread abroad in the galaxy, colonizing and exploring at will. So where are they?
While some SETI scientists are admittedly shaken by this “Fermi paradox,” they often reply to it by pointing out how difficult it would be to voyage between the stars. Even at the speed of light, enormous though that is, it would take a spaceship a hundred thousand years to traverse just our own galaxy. Surpassing that speed is deemed impossible.
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That is why SETI scientists lean so strongly on radio telescopes; they imagine that since advanced civilizations might not travel between stars, they would still seek out other forms of life by the relatively cheap and easy means of radio waves. But Fermi’s paradox still haunts them.
American physicist Freeman J. Dyson has concluded that if advanced civilizations exist in our galaxy, finding evidence of them should be as easy as finding signs of technological civilization on Manhattan Island in New York City. The galaxy should be buzzing with alien signals and their immense engineering projects. But none have been found. In fact, one article on the subject noted that “searched, found nothing” has become like a religious chant for SETI astronomers.
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A Crumbling Foundation
Yet, even if many planets do exist that meet the stringent conditions necessary to sustain life as we know it, the question remains, How would life arise on those worlds? This brings us to the very foundation of the belief in beings on other worlds—evolution.
To many scientists, it seems logical to believe that if life could evolve from nonliving matter on this planet, that could be true on others as well. As one writer put it: “The general thinking among biologists is that life will begin whenever it is given an environment where it can begin.” But that is where evolution faces an insurmountable objection. Evolutionists cannot even explain how life began on this planet.
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Do you find these cumbersome figures hard to grasp? The word “impossible” is easier to remember, and it is just as accurate.*
Still, SETI astronomers blithely assume that life must have originated by chance all over the universe. Gene Bylinsky, in his book Life in Darwin’s Universe, speculates on the various paths evolution might have taken on alien worlds. He suggests that intelligent octopuses, marsupial men with pouches on their stomachs, and bat-people who make musical instruments are not at all farfetched. Renowned scientists have praised his book. However, other scientists, such as Feinberg and Shapiro, see the gaping flaw in such reasoning. They decry the “weakness in the basic experimental foundations” of scientists’ theories about how life got started on earth. They note, though, that scientists nonetheless “have used these foundations to erect towers that extend to the end of the Universe.”
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originally posted by: Signals
a reply to: whereislogic
That all sounds logical, but to say that no other intelligent life exists in the Universe, in itself you are defying logic. I think it’s crazier to believe that than to believe in the craziest “UFO Cult”.
Who’s to say one of these groups won’t be right? Maybe the Raelians mean well and are seeking real truth, I don’t know, but it’s intriguing.
Satan still uses his demon followers to mislead mankind with all kinds of philosophies, fads, messages, communications, and cults that distract from the message that God’s Kingdom, his heavenly government, will soon rule over a restored earth.—Compare Luke 4:33, 34; James 2:19; Revelation 12:9; 21:1-4.
Definition: Belief that a spirit part of humans survives death of the physical body and can communicate with the living, usually through a person who serves as a medium. Some people believe that every material object and all natural phenomena have indwelling spirits. Sorcery is the use of power that is acknowledged to be from evil spirits. All forms of spiritism are strongly condemned in the Bible.
Is it really possible for a human to communicate with the “spirit” of a dead loved one?
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With whom are those who endeavor to speak with the dead actually communicating? [whereisllogic: remember that now they are pretending to be aliens as well as ghosts, the saints in Christendom are also dead, including Mary, so when you pray to Mary, who are you really praying to? This section explains.]
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Is there harm in seeking healing or protection by spiritistic means? [whereislogic: using talismans, healing stones, necklaces or other jewelry with various symbols like the Cross, the Triquetra like used in the TV show Charmed for example and as a representation of the Trinity, runes, various medicines sold by gurus, shamans and others into the occult, etc.; I'm sure the Raelians have got something for sale for this purpose as well, like the Thetan meters or E-meters used by Scientology, "a religious artifact used as a spiritual guide in auditing." Says the Scientology website, a service for which you have to pay. And the meters themselves don't come for free either. Compare Isaiah 55 which speaks about true healthy spiritual food and guidance as opposed to the counterfeit versions.]
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Is it wise to resort to spiritistic means to learn what the future holds or to assure oneself of success in some undertaking?
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What harm can there be in playing games that involve a form of divination or in seeking the meaning of something that seems to be an omen of good?
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How can a person be freed from spiritistic influence?
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The belief that the spirits of dead humans survive the death of the physical body and that they can and do communicate with the living, especially through a person (a medium) particularly susceptible to their influence. The Greek word for “practice of spiritism” is phar·ma·kiʹa, which literally means “druggery.” This term came to be connected with spiritism because in ancient times, drugs were used when invoking the power of the demons in order to practice sorcery.—Ga 5:20; Re 21:8.
(See also Astrology; Demonism; Divination; ESP [Extrasensory Perception]; Hypnotism; Spiritism) [whereislogic: might you be into all of these by any chance? Except for demonism in your opinion, which is what all these are connected to. And with "into" I mean intrigued by and attracted to these subjects.]
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attraction to: g 2/11 3-4; g93 7/22 28; g86 8/22 3-5
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Catholics: g93 4/22 28
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dangers: ijwyp 86; w19.11 32; w02 10/15 11; sh 91-94; g86 8/22 10 [whereislogic: I didn't copy all the links, but they are available on this page]
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dowsing: ...
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tarot-card reader: ...
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games: ...
good-luck charms: ...
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New Age movement: g94 3/8 6-8
Ouija board: ...
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popularity: g97 2/8 28; w87 3/1 3; g86 8/22 5
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UFO’s: ...[whereislogic, which is the article I already used)
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originally posted by: cooperton
You're starting to realize the mutant ape fantasy is total nonsense?
originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: Kreeate
Please forgive me if I don't show your thread the same respect you've
shown to others. But I can't say I wasn't tempted.
SnF
originally posted by: whereislogic
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More about spiritism:
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With whom are those who endeavor to speak with the dead actually communicating? [whereisllogic: remember that now they are pretending to be aliens as well as ghosts, the saints in Christendom are also dead, including Mary, so when you pray to Mary, who are you really praying to? This section explains.]
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Ancient Babylonian religious concepts and practices are found in religions worldwide
“Egypt, Persia, and Greece felt the influence of the Babylonian religion . . . The strong admixture of Semitic elements both in early Greek mythology and in Grecian cults is now so generally admitted by scholars as to require no further comment. These Semitic elements are to a large extent more specifically Babylonian.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria (Boston, 1898), M. Jastrow, Jr., pp. 699, 700.
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Belief regarding death: “Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, p. 556.
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What is the origin of the teaching of hellfire?
In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The Encyclopedia Americana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 68) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.
But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer”), the one whom Jesus Christ called “the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.