To jab?...or not to jab?...that is the question

I just had my first shot of Oxford-Astrazeneca here in Australia a little over an hour ago. I went for that despite the government here saying that Pfizer is the preferred vaccine for my age group (mid 30s). The thing is, they totally cocked up the supply of Pfizer, while overblowing the risks of the Astra. The Astra shot is a viral vector vaccine as opposed to an mRNA one. Ive done my research, its a good vaccine - the risks are minimal.

So far... a slight sore arm at the site of injection. I'm awaiting the ability to stream YouTube in my mind but nothing yet. I'll keep you all posted.

originally posted by: harold223

So far... a slight sore arm at the site of injection. I'm awaiting the ability to stream YouTube in my mind but nothing yet. I'll keep you all posted.

With Pfiszer I didn't even get a sore arm, I was like did I get the placebo??

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: harold223

So far... a slight sore arm at the site of injection. I'm awaiting the ability to stream YouTube in my mind but nothing yet. I'll keep you all posted.

With Pfiszer I didn't even get a sore arm, I was like did I get the placebo??

maybe you got a saline dose

1. Yes
2. Sore arm for a day.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: visitedbythem

If this is a planned bioweapon, you won't have any reactions to the jab for a while. But if it is a planned culling instead of a War, and we always go to war over resources, so planned population decrease seems a better idea than a war which would go nuclear, which would diminish usable land make the environmental pressure worse. Is it a bioweapon or isn't it a bio weapon> that is the main question? If you don't know then assume the worst scenario and act like it is. Nature may or may not reward you for your decision.
If this has been planned, it would have taken decades to do it. But if you look at what has been happening over the last decade, certain priming would have had to be done. Is it just a coincidence that smoking has been virtually banned when tobacco use has been shown to virtually stop you from getting infected? Vitamin D and zinc along with Ivermectin has been censored off the MSN? I could go on but if the Government was concerned about your health, known causes of disease would have been jumped on years ago. Add in the fact that the majority of the population will have antibodies by now. The reasons for pushing the vaccine is just do not stack up.

and if it is a planned bio weapon, why would "they" go after the compliant sheeple that got the Vax?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I was surprised, but my doctor advised me not to get it and I haven't.

Talk to your doctor is my advice.

I didn’t get it. My boyfriend did though (Pfizer) and the first shot he had extreme vertigo and his hands were burning and had chest pains and I took him to urgent care as he thought something was seriously wrong. Second shot he was totally fine and has been fine since.

originally posted by: harold223
I just had my first shot of Oxford-Astrazeneca here in Australia a little over an hour ago. I went for that despite the government here saying that Pfizer is the preferred vaccine for my age group (mid 30s). The thing is, they totally cocked up the supply of Pfizer, while overblowing the risks of the Astra. The Astra shot is a viral vector vaccine as opposed to an mRNA one. Ive done my research, its a good vaccine - the risks are minimal.

So far... a slight sore arm at the site of injection. I'm awaiting the ability to stream YouTube in my mind but nothing yet. I'll keep you all posted.

From my understanding both Pfizer and Moderna and JnJ and AstraZeneca are gene based vaccines. It is just the way the genetic material is delivered to the cell. So they work the same way (the cells will code for the spike protein to teach the immune system). AZ and JnJ use a virus to deliver the genetic material while the other two use a lipid nanoparticle.

originally posted by: AcrobaticDreams
I didn’t get it. My boyfriend did though (Pfizer) and the first shot he had extreme vertigo and his hands were burning and had chest pains and I took him to urgent care as he thought something was seriously wrong. Second shot he was totally fine and has been fine since.

That is weird, seems like he had more of a allergic reaction, I might had forgone the second after that, but all is good.

originally posted by: AcrobaticDreams

From my understanding both Pfizer and Moderna and JnJ and AstraZeneca are gene based vaccines. It is just the way the genetic material is delivered to the cell. So they work the same way (the cells will code for the spike protein to teach the immune system). AZ and JnJ use a virus to deliver the genetic material while the other two use a lipid nanoparticle.

I believe that is correct. I'm not sure why JnJ is just one shot though.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

100% vaxxed back at the beginning of May.

I never had any lasting effects, sore arm one day where I felt "not great" for the first shot then the second was more mild.

I will say I had a few strange pimples show up on the side of my forehead and one on my scalp, not saying they're connected they were just weird and also a buddy at work got the same thing literally almost to the day like a week or so after being fully vaccinated.

I have felt fine no strange pimples since then. I have no prior health conditions, I smoke cigarettes and other herbs, legal in my state now .

Just got exposed at a party where the day after an attendee was found to be positive. That was last weekend, 5 days ago, two rapid tests have indicated I am Covid free I'll be testing one more time in a couple days in an over abundance of caution.

I am confident in this vaccine protecting me though, no one else at the party who was vaccinated has shown any signs and I believe 95% of the rest were Vaccinated, the other 5% are unknown because I didn't interrogate everyone there.

a reply to: kykweer

Well if you think about it , everyone gets a shot in the arm, a few go downhill fast. But they have comorbidities, which the vax pushes them over the edge. If too many people died at once no one would take it. A few hang on a while before expiring. At the same time, the virus is working out varients to dodge the vaccine, which it seems to have already done as the vaccinated are now getting it and becoming super spreaders, who cough out a load more viruses which would have to contain mutated strains some of which will become dominant. The human body is trying to work out antibodies for combating the strains which it would do quite well if the general population's immune systems were in good shape. But the only problem is that the human body must be in good shape it needs essential elements and vitamins to do this. They are not found in industrialized foods in the quantities required.
So a vaccine comes along, which dumps the immune system while the body is making antibodies for a strain of the virus that has already mutated like the common cold. The vaccine manufacturers have already got their defense organized in so much that we will have to tweak it. Like they will always come to the party too late as the vaccine is made for Covid 19 not the now dominant variant. But all is good the Government is pushing the jab, controlling the narrative because they do not want panic to cause chaos. In the usual run of natural pandemics, the original strain slowly burns out, but if this is designed with a gain of function.It will just mutate until a real killer strain gets going. Then leave only people with the best immune systems alive.
Let's look at the last ten years , and check out what will be required if this is a culling. The first thing will be tight media control, check. Will the economic system recover if the population pressure is reduced. check Will the ecosystem recover if there are fewer people .check. Will the climate get better if there are less people check. Why would billionaires and the super-rich want bug out hideaways? Because they are not stupid and would be the ones most likely in the know and take precautions. Most of the working class are non-essential, and AI has developed to the point where most labor is now redundant. We will know how this is going for sure in six months but many people already see the writing on the wall.
Capitalism is now dead we are in a controlled economy. So would the elites just wait for chaos and lose control, of the ship, or anticipate the storm and change course to keep in control.?

1) Yes (Moderna)

2) Sore arm and slept a lot for the next two days after getting both shots. I feel good and will get the booster when available.

Edit: I’m 28

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

1: No. I have a 2.4 in 10 million chance of dying of covid. Why waste the time? That was my initial reasoning. Now my reasoning has become much different.

2: Endless harassment by twidiots online?

3: Religious exemptions are always an option.

UPDATE - Not sure what happened exactly, but they backed off contractors having to get the shots. Probably some kind of an injunction somewhere down the line, but they're not talking about it. In any case, I got a reprieve (for now).

As I think I've noted in this thread, I'm not anti-vax. However, I don't see the current shot as a "vaccine", and I don't think it's been fully tested. I'm not saying I won't get the shot, but I just think it needs more time. So, I will wait...for now.

Wife still has to get the shot, and she got her first one today (Pfizer), so I will update on how that goes.

All for now.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I heard that unofficial deadline for FDA approval of Pfizer is the Sept. 6 Labor Day holiday.
FDA aiming to give final approval to Pfizer vaccine by early next month -NY Times

a reply to: anonentity

I'm sorry but new variants of the virus started long before the vaccine. One of the first variants was from South Africa months before vaccinations rolled out. The virus obviously imo evolves new variants because of non stop transmissions.

If you dont trust the government fine, but don't make up other stuff.

Until now I'm still in the 'not to jab' camp

but I've been reading up on Novavax and this might be the one I say yes to.

As I understand it is not an mrna vaccine but a proteine vax, just like the flu jabs we already have and the hpv, hepB,... vaccines.
Novavax will not receive the emergency vaccine status so it has to go through all the trials the traditional way, which will take much longer. But so far the effectiveness against covid and variants seem good, up to 95%.

I'd like to see the full ingredients list first, which I can't find at this point... but it sounds promising and I might go for it.

a reply to: kykweer

Did I say something incorrectly. ? The virus starts in Wuhan. and there are multiple vaccines within a year. Even that is fishy. If you honestly think this business would pass an independent inquiry. I am happy about your sense of trust.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2
95% effective at what though?
Does it prevent infection?