I can blow a massive holes in the "must wear masks" montra

originally posted by: neutronflux
How do the inferior mask do anything effectively to be measured. How did they measurably have an impact on the number of people actually infected.

Its like saying removing some water with a hand sponge measurably change the depth of an ocean.

No it isn't, it is like saying this sponge soaked up x cc of ocean water.

Cheap masks work how? And effective against airborne covid how????

Traps droplets expelled by the user. Whatever is caught in the mask is in the mask.

Too bad the virus is in aerosols, is airborne, and hangs in the air.

What’s the effectiveness of a cheap cloth mass against aerosols that doesn’t seal. And not made to trap and hold in body fluids?

Face it. You got played.

originally posted by: neutronflux
What’s the effectiveness of a cheap cloth mass against aerosols that doesn’t seal. And not made to trap and hold in body fluids?

Less than 100%

Face it. You got played.

Not really, you just seem to be stuck in binary mode, all or nothing.

a reply to: daskakik

You

Not really, you just seem to be stuck in binary mode, all or nothing.

Can you address the issues?

Too bad the virus is in aerosols, is airborne, and hangs in the air.

What’s the effectiveness of preventing individuals from being infected with COVID-19 with a cheap cloth mask that doesn’t seal against aerosols. And not made to trap and hold in body fluids?

Can you answer the questions? Or you just down to personal insults? B

a reply to: daskakik

Or you just going to cling to the lie covid isn’t airborne, and the lie it’s only in large drops of water?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Can you answer the questions? Or you just down to personal insults? B

That isn't a personal insult, I just restated your position, all or nothing.

I already answered your question, it is less than 100%.

Even the scientists in the article you posted can't really say. The article mentions 15 minutes in close contact last year and now it is 10 seconds within a meter but they don't say that if that happens you will 100% become infected.

I never said covid wasn't airborne so there is nothing for me to cling to, but speaking of clinging, aerosols cling to porous materials as well. Take a piece of cloth and hold it over a pot of boiling water or, probably safer, a cool tech humidifier and it will get damp. That means it is holding on to very small drops of water but not 100% of them.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: neutronflux
How do the inferior mask do anything effectively to be measured. How did they measurably have an impact on the number of people actually infected.

Its like saying removing some water with a hand sponge measurably change the depth of an ocean.

No it isn't, it is like saying this sponge soaked up x cc of ocean water.

Cheap masks work how? And effective against airborne covid how????

Traps droplets expelled by the user. Whatever is caught in the mask is in the mask.

no its someone like you that says because the sponge soaked up XX about of water that it made any significant difference.

but even more it is because a tee shirt that is NOT CERTIFIED AS A SPONGE by chance soaked up XX amount of sea water that it should be called effective in soaking up water.


you can twist, spin, and get all the "Expert studies" you want till your blue in the face/ fingers cramp up posting things.

doesnt change something is NOT DESIGNED TO PROTECT YOU and just because a random one does it mean its effective and be mandated.

if you want an extreme example of your lunacy in continuing this argument

i can present cases where someone survived falling without a parachute (or it failed) while wearing a shirt and pants.

does that mean a shirt and pants can protect you falling out of a plane even though they are "not certified" to do so?

because the odds were very low , some people did survive and the "shirt and pants" are better than nothing?

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

This is what scientists wear to protect themselves from exposure to a virus while working in a microbiology lab. But I'm sure that flimsy paper / cloth mask the lamestream mockingbird media never shuts up about works just as well too.

So yeah...any fool espousing the "must wear masks" mantra is....a fool.

originally posted by: Type1338
a reply to: scrounger

This is what scientists wear to protect themselves from exposure to a virus while working in a microbiology lab. But I'm sure that flimsy paper / cloth mask the lamestream mockingbird media never shuts up about works just as well too.

So yeah...any fool espousing the "must wear masks" mantra is....a fool.

also i bet that suit he is wearing is medically certified to protect from viruses..


but fools (you know who) keep saying you dont need that to be protected.

funny the "expert" here in your pic doesnt follow that logic

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger
No it is like me who says because the sponge soaked up XX amount of water it shows it can hold XX amount of water and your argument is, impossible because it doesn't say that on the box.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: scrounger
No it is like me who says because the sponge soaked up XX amount of water it shows it can hold XX amount of water and your argument is, impossible because it doesn't say that on the box.

knew you speak up
yes you are
you posted MULTIPLE TIMES that just because it says that on the box that masks ARE EFFECTIVE.

either by
claiming studies say so
that its just legalese
that its "better than nothing"
and other such rot.

along with you did post

"No it isn't, it is like saying this sponge soaked up x cc of ocean water."

im sorry but you are your own worst enemy showing your posting continuously as a fool

btw notice you didnt touch on the above post how the experts in the lab dont wear any protective gear that isnt MEDICALLY CERTIFIED because its just "legalese"
wonder why

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger
Sorry but your post is mostly word salad.

I don't recall citing any studies, your "text on the box" argument is just based on legalese and "something" is better than "nothing" or at least still "something".

btw notice you didnt touch on the above post how the experts in the lab dont wear any protective gear that isnt MEDICALLY CERTIFIED because its just "legalese"
wonder why

Because it is a given and I never argued that the proper safety equipment isn't better.

a reply to: scrounger

So can I. If cloth masks were effective, hospitals wouldn’t waste money on N95 masks.

originally posted by: SgrAStar
a reply to: scrounger

So can I. If cloth masks were effective, hospitals wouldn’t waste money on N95 masks.

Now. Don’t encroach on the illusion that wearing a face diaper makes them a hero……

It’s not about the science, it’s about being a social warrior. Making one feel good because you were told you helped.

a reply to: daskakik

For some, the sad truth is that masks have never been proved to be effective against airborne virus.

They don't work, and they collect all manner of germs, and they cause hypoxia and hypercapnia.

People wear them to show their membership in the Cult of the Poisoned Mind it seems. Muzzling and vaccinating their children. In the name of...???

a reply to: Salander
There is hyperbole on both sides.

It doesn't stop a virus that is tens maybe hundreds of nm in size but it stops oxygen, which .3 nm, right.

If someone uses a mask as a security blanket or a reason to virtue signal, it doesn't affect me in any way.

If a store requires I use a mask I wear one for a few minutes and then it is off once I'm done shopping. I don't feel the need to bitch about that.

But my main point was, "XYZ" on the box is a catch all legal move against lawsuits and isn't proof of what those masks are trapping. Obviously they are not 100% but science says something is being blocked. Whether that makes a difference in the spread of a disease can be argued but it doesn't mean something isn't being caught in those masks.

a reply to: daskakik

Wearing a mask doesn't prevent the infection.

So, why wear a mask? To show people you care? To show people you don't think too much?

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Salander
There is hyperbole on both sides.

It doesn't stop a virus that is tens maybe hundreds of nm in size but it stops oxygen, which .3 nm, right.

If someone uses a mask as a security blanket or a reason to virtue signal, it doesn't affect me in any way.

If a store requires I use a mask I wear one for a few minutes and then it is off once I'm done shopping. I don't feel the need to bitch about that.

But my main point was, "XYZ" on the box is a catch all legal move against lawsuits and isn't proof of what those masks are trapping. Obviously they are not 100% but science says something is being blocked. Whether that makes a difference in the spread of a disease can be argued but it doesn't mean something isn't being caught in those masks.

And there is more to the spread of covid than “large water drops that don’t hang in the air”


Exactly how do cheap cloth masks that don’t seal stop people from catching covid when it’s airborne, and hangs in the air as aerosols that can stay suspended in the air for hours.

The model that cheap masks can help stop the spread, big difference than something that dependably and actually stops, was wrong and based on false modeling.

originally posted by: Salander
Wearing a mask doesn't prevent the infection.

So, why wear a mask? To show people you care? To show people you don't think too much?

Actually, it can, just not always.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Exactly how do cheap cloth masks that don’t seal stop people from catching covid when it’s airborne, and hangs in the air as aerosols that can stay suspended in the air for hours.

They don't, they reduce the risk the same way a bulletproof vest, which doesn't cover the entire body and isn't rated for every bullet out there, reduces the risk of death from a gunshot.

The model that cheap masks can help stop the spread, big difference than something that dependably and actually stops, was wrong and based on false modeling.

No, you just keep asking for 100% and nobody ever said they offer that.

Even the dependable masks need the proper protocol to work. The person with an N95 mask with no valve lifting their mask off to wipe around their nose and mouth only to continue touching things around them undermine the dependability of their mask but that's humans for you.