Churches are now pushing what many consider to be the Mark of the Beast

a reply to: BlueJacket

I wonder how many community service peoject you run? My parent's church runs ESL classes for immigrants at no charge, drops of meals to those in the community who can't leave their homes for medical reasons, pick up litter, etc.
You make snarky posts online. So, yeah, we need less organized religion. You're the one actually doing the lord's work here.

originally posted by: BatSars
At any rate, there's no fallacy here. Just a neutral, atheistic observation about the irony of churches getting behind this thing.

Neutral atheistic observation, hmmm
No irony about an atheist complaining about christians

a reply to: nonspecific

Social Security number.
Bank account.
Credit cards.
Driver's license.
Bar codes.

I never complained about Christians. If it came across that way, that certainly wasn't my intent.

If I were to point out the many contradictions in the Bible, would you consider that a complaint or an observation based on logic?

If you could please quote where I complained about Christians, I'll concede your point, though emphasize that wasn't my intent. If you cannot, I'd ask that you admit your mistake.
a reply to: Raggedyman

a reply to: BatSars

Your whole premise is christians pushing what evidently “many” believe to be the mark of the beast
Not afraid of admitting I am wrong and many will attest to that but this thread, it’s in your head

Well, this will be the last I respond to your personal attack, as I believe it detracts from the purpose of the site, but you still never cited where I was complaining about Christians. It isn't just Christians that believe in the Mark. Ecumenical Order of Christ are not Christians and speak about this at great length.

Some atheists I know are also beginning to use the Bible as source material to consider truth from that document, despite them not believing in a God or a religion. This does not make them Christians.

Many alien theorists (including the EoC) also believe in the Mark.

The only part of my post dealing with Christianity was that Christian churches are pushing the vaccine. Not all Christians buy into the Mark, and not all non-Christians DON'T believe in it. Pointing out irony is not a complaint, it's an observation.

If you wish to quote where I complained about Christians, please do so, but don't make things up and attribute them to me. Bad form.
a reply to: Raggedyman

a reply to: Raggedyman

Seventh Day Adventists and I think also Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Sunday Law is the mark of the beast. Not 100% sure about Witnesses but I know that is what Seventh Day Adventists believe.

So it is clear that anytime you are getting your information or "interpretation" of the Bible from man not God, you will be led astray.

a reply to: BatSars

" A lot of people view this as the prohesised 'mark of the beast'"

Say what?

Those people are nutters... I advise not listening to them anymore...

PA

Do you think a thread concerning the Rapture would be entertaining?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Rapture, hmmm, interesting theology that rapture stuff

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: BatSars
At any rate, there's no fallacy here. Just a neutral, atheistic observation about the irony of churches getting behind this thing.

Neutral atheistic observation, hmmm
No irony about an atheist complaining about christians

I find it funny, in an ironic kind of way, that atheists often think of themselves as being a neutral observer when it comes to religion, when the truth is that most of the time there a competing ideology.

It's like a radical socialist claiming to be a neutral party in when it comes to the debate between communism and capitalism.

originally posted by: BatSars
I never complained about Christians. If it came across that way, that certainly wasn't my intent.

If I were to point out the many contradictions in the Bible, would you consider that a complaint or an observation based on logic?

If you could please quote where I complained about Christians, I'll concede your point, though emphasize that wasn't my intent. If you cannot, I'd ask that you admit your mistake.
a reply to: Raggedyman

Given that the Bible was written in multiple languages, translated into multiple languages, and was written by multiple people over a considerable period of time, you're not so much as looking at contradictions as you are different interpretations in a still evolving religion. There are several thousand years between the oldest and the newest page.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


I find it funny, in an ironic kind of way, that atheists often think of themselves as being a neutral observer

Well, I said atheist when I should have said agnostic. It's not that I don't believe in a God or Gods, but that I have no proof of either thing - or even a lack thereof - so I remain neutral about it.

I am a neutral observer and have been since I was a teenager. For all I know, the Gods written about in biblical texts could be aliens. I can't say for sure, nor can anyone else.

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: Raggedyman

Seventh Day Adventists and I think also Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Sunday Law is the mark of the beast. Not 100% sure about Witnesses but I know that is what Seventh Day Adventists believe.

So it is clear that anytime you are getting your information or "interpretation" of the Bible from man not God, you will be led astray.

So is there a number I can call? Maybe a post office box to write? Youtube video? I hate being led astray .

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: BatSars
I never complained about Christians. If it came across that way, that certainly wasn't my intent.

If I were to point out the many contradictions in the Bible, would you consider that a complaint or an observation based on logic?

If you could please quote where I complained about Christians, I'll concede your point, though emphasize that wasn't my intent. If you cannot, I'd ask that you admit your mistake.
a reply to: Raggedyman

Given that the Bible was written in multiple languages, translated into multiple languages, and was written by multiple people over a considerable period of time, you're not so much as looking at contradictions as you are different interpretations in a still evolving religion. There are several thousand years between the oldest and the newest page.

Nope there is most definitely contradictions, Look at the flood story The first five books were filled with contradictory, repetitive material, and often seemed to tell different versions of the Israelites’ story even within a single section of text.

As an example how many animals did Noah bring on the ark? In this sentence, it says two of every animal. In this sentence, he takes two of some animals and 14 of any animals. How about the length of time for the flood? oe sentence its 40 days another said it was 150.

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

Odd which is it?

“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

ok apparently god cant make up his or her mind here?

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: BatSars

The mark of the Beast is supposed to be taken in the forehead or in the hand.

How many do you think are getting injected in the forehead or in hand?

Perhaps, if the people who purport to take the Bible literally, actually did, they might get taken more seriously?

random thoughts...

They took temperature checks on the forehead and ID usually requires your hands to show paper work etc... or any other form of identification such as tattoos or stamps... so that's pretty much literal enough for the bible.

As an avid studier of Biblical eschatology for years, I believe I can speak to this. People will take the mark knowing that it represents the Beast and his followers. No one will take it "by accident." The mark will not be on the scene until AFTER the Rapture. Tribulation believers will not take it accidentally. People will be told that the mark will be specifically tied to the beast (who will be a person/leader).

originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: BatSars

The mark of the Beast is supposed to be taken in the forehead or in the hand.

How many do you think are getting injected in the forehead or in hand?

Perhaps, if the people who purport to take the Bible literally, actually did, they might get taken more seriously?

random thoughts...

They took temperature checks on the forehead and ID usually requires your hands to show paper work etc... or any other form of identification such as tattoos or stamps... so that's pretty much literal enough for the bible.

Taking someone's temperature does not leave a mark. Neither does holding papers, for most people.

The whole concept is a ridiculous stretch of credibility and assuming that all sorts of things are 'symolized', and not literal, is a way to weaken the true message of the Bible, if it can be explained as 'meaning' something other than what it clearly says.

If the Bible says that some thing is 'like' something else, then that is clearly describing similie or metaphor. If it doesn't, it is invalid to assume it is similie or metaphor.

a reply to: chr0naut

read the whole verse about the mark.

The mark is not an actual mark... it's the name of the beast or the number of its name. Meaning it can be paper ID or a number like the temperature of your forehead.



King James Bible
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

a reply to: BatSars

It's about the almighty...dollar.

Governments threatening shut-downs unless people get vax'd
No butts in seats, no money from the congregation

a reply to: KKLOCO

Hasn't begun? When did they begin going out conquering? When did they begin killing with the plagues of the earth.. seems we are in the thick of it. Do not be deceived into waiting for something obvious and recognizable.. we are already in the end game