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originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: Annee
Quit looking for problems and look for solutions .
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Halfswede
originally posted by: Annee
So, you’re eliminating mail in voting?
Only those who can physically get to their voting place can vote?
I hate to point out what would be obvious to someone who read them, but try reading anyway... number 2 specifically addresses absentee and military. But in general, mail in needs to be be for those who literally can't make it, not just laziness.
Also feel free and propose an alternative that meets those requirements for mail in for everyone or explain why the requirement isn't necessary. If it can't be secure,...
I did read it.
Explain how #2 address military and absentee.
“2. Each person who votes is verified to be the person they claim to be at the time of voting -- verified in situ”
I support online voting. Probably not an alternative you would support.
originally posted by: Halfswede
The subjects are broken down so that each can be addressed by number and individually. I think everyone should be able to agree that these are appropriate goals.
I don't know if it is comprehensive, but it seems pretty close. I purposely left them as problems needing solutions that I think everyone should agree on. Please try and stay focused on each individually as they are addressed. Some solutions obviously can cover multiple problems.
I will chime in with my own ideas, but don't want to taint the pool right off the bat.
originally posted by: Halfswede
Here's my initial cut.
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2. Each person who votes is verified to be the person they claim to be at the time of voting -- verified in situ
Voter ID card is entered in the presence of voter personnel and pin entered before vote is activated. A clear picture is taken at the time and logged with the ID#.
See number 4 below. A thumbprint is applied to the ballot and scanned (nobody is verifying thumbprint at this point) If any funny business happens (ID and pin stolen), the pic and thumbprint can be used. See # 6 below.
For absentee, you request the volunteer come to your location with the portable verification machine. The ballot is filled, encoded with Serial number (see #5), put in an envelope, and tracking scanned into an approved container.
For military, bases have the same system. You go, get verified, create ballot.
Explain how #2 address military and absentee.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Annee
Explain how #2 address military and absentee.
Military typically has an officer heading up absentee ballots, officer could verify each voter, or you could take the fact that on base especially over seas you need a federal ID to get onto the base and anything being mailed state side is done from on base.
All that said most election years over seas ballots dont get counted in many places.
originally posted by: Bunch
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Annee
You seem to be very unfamiliar with UOCAVA voting
Explain how #2 address military and absentee.
Military typically has an officer heading up absentee ballots, officer could verify each voter, or you could take the fact that on base especially over seas you need a federal ID to get onto the base and anything being mailed state side is done from on base.
Incorrect. This is done at the unit level typically by an NCO. Some states offer online ballot returning to military members so returning by mail is minimum.
All that said most election years over seas ballots dont get counted in many places.
UOCAVA votes are tallied with absentee/VBM ballots and they are always counted.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
originally posted by: Bunch
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Annee
You seem to be very unfamiliar with UOCAVA voting
Explain how #2 address military and absentee.
Military typically has an officer heading up absentee ballots, officer could verify each voter, or you could take the fact that on base especially over seas you need a federal ID to get onto the base and anything being mailed state side is done from on base.
Incorrect. This is done at the unit level typically by an NCO. Some states offer online ballot returning to military members so returning by mail is minimum.
All that said most election years over seas ballots dont get counted in many places.
UOCAVA votes are tallied with absentee/VBM ballots and they are always counted.
My anecdotal evidence of 20+ years in the military 4 years over seas says differently.
Some states count them first others dont unless the race is to close to call, thats what election officials told me because routinely military over seas ballots come in right at the dead line or late.
While NCO's head up in the flights there is an OIC at each sq and certainly and officer (with NCO) at the group and wing level, they need bullets for their OPR as well.
Voting rep positions are for information purposes only though. They don’t verify or decide anything related to voting eligibility.
originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Halfswede
I asked 2 questions.
You said the answer was in #2. It’s not.
I did not misinterpret anything.
I don’t need some big long sidestep.
a reply to: Bunch
By your own statement you are willing to disenfranchise people from voting for some sort of greater good that I don’t understand. VBM is no small section, 46% of the electorate voted by mail in 2020.
I’m not a big fan of voter ID requirements
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
originally posted by: Annee
So, you’re eliminating mail in voting?
Only those who can physically get to their voting place can vote?
The OP said solutions not complaints , are you literally incapable of such objective thought .
I see 2 questions.
Are you incapable of telling the difference between a question and a complaint?