California to instruct schools to hold back well-performing students in the name of racial equity

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No what they mean is that people good at math being in advanced classes and other kids being in standard classes perpetuates the idea some students are good at math and some are bad, and they reject the idea anyone is born 'smarter' than others. So since we all have the same IQ and we are all equally smart we should all be in the same class.

I say since all have the same IQ, the smart one's are to be sent into advanced classes and the not so gifted ones too. Push effort instead of giving up on them.

Advocating for the complete oposite smells hefty like dumbing down and reducing the ability to learn and think for their own. Seems like the PTP has learned some lessons from North Korea. People are easy to manipulate if they have gotten zero knowledge but just propaganda.

We're peasants are getting too smart, we have too much options to learn new things and question the narrative. Doctors rather learn what med is helping for what instead of understanding the problem and how it's solved. If it's a medication in the end that's okay, because they arrived at that conclusion on their own.

But if they start to have tables in their head like "symptom X you get med Y", we become the product and consumer, within the pharma industry. It speaks volumes when you get recipes for painkillers instead of therapy to work out the issues. They rather have you poison yourself instead of dishing out a recipe for physiotherapy.

Because the meds are cheaper for the insurance by a small margin and that's all what counts.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

The problem is they know there is natural talent and failing kids couldn't do the advanced math. The only way we can have equity is to make everyone more stupid.

We need to stop the pretence now for the sake of humanity.
IT seems that IQ is all people get judged by but it isn't the truth in real life.
I think there are cultures with lower IQs and others with higher IQs. Fact.
Some people are much, much cleverer than others and there are really, really thick people out there, live with it.

Truth is IQ is a trait that evolved out of need. Another truth is that even a clever person can be made feel dumb and a perceived dumb person might be much more intelligent...all depending on need.

In colder countries or those where food was scarce, people needed to evolve to think more outside the box, make tools and plan hunting strategies, make clothes etc.

In other countries, it was warmer, so no need for clothing, food was abundant and hunting may have been easier as there may have been more smaller prey around. However maybe the prey was fast, so people evolved stamina, to follow for hours without tiring. They may have evolved strength for some reasons, they may have evolved practical skills, family skills or whatever was necessary.

What we do wrong is to not acknowledge that some people are just not interested or able to learn as fast or as well as others. Those that can, should be all held to the same standard, regardless of looks [skin colour comes to mind]. Teach them science, teach them maths etc, we will need scientists and engineers in the future who are actually clever and not just in the job because they look a certain way.

We also cannot stoop down to the lowest common denominator, it just isn't fair to those that need more stimulation.

Instead we have to stop telling kids that certain jobs are better than others. They aren't. A plumber, carpenter, Hairdresser, cook, builder is just as needed and important as a doctor, scientist or astronaut.

Seriously, if kids can't concentrate because it's too difficult, send them to practical school and teach them what they are interested in and where they can excel. These schools should be in high regard because we all need good handy people.
ETA: Imagine the other way round, having a clever but totally useless [with tools] nerd, being forced to fit your kitchen, cut your hair or fix your car. It would be disastrous. Same with what we are trying to do now in reverse and which ain't working...surprise.

We must accept and not cover up and make those who just don't like dry teachings to feel as important as they are and make sure they can achieve that which they are better at. If you stop clever kids form learning, you'll invite a whole other problem, as now those with the capabilities to learn will get fidgety, unhappy, rebellious, depressed etc.

We are not all the same. We are all different abled. Lets stop the dumb lies of we are all the same because it helps nobody. Instead lets get rid of the bad connotations of those that have more hands on capabilities.

I agree that we are all equally important!

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The problem is they know there is natural talent and failing kids couldn't do the advanced math. The only way we can have equity is to make everyone more stupid.

Just prooves that equity is a stupid concept since it's never reachable, much like Hecate666 wrote.

a reply to: trollz

Or maybe the USA, could fashion it's educational system after Finland.

Hands-on, no homework, few days in school, and they still crush all the world academic records today.

We need to stop re-inventing the wheel, and maybe look at countries that have extremely successful programs, but that would be logical and pragmatic.

It's not only California's school systems that is faulty, but the entire USA.

The people who set these policies send their own kids to private schools.

Says it all really.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

So if your child is a math genius they will not be allowed to progress and will be stuck in the same class as students who suck at math. I agree, it sounds so stupid it couldn't be true ... yet it is.

The sad reality is this already happens at public schools.
My daughter was very gifted. She aced standardized tests.
More than once her teachers told me that they had her teach the class because she was able to understand and relay
the materials to the students better than they could. I was not amused by this.

I would have told my kid to tell them no. And probably have the kid relay some snarky comment about child labor laws and not working without pay.

Lazy, uneducated teachers.

You know what? Screw it. Let's go back to high school not being a requirement.

Have kids go through elementary school, and then send them off to the factories or learn a trade, or pursue further education if they desire it.

So will we see Harvard-Yale doing this?
Hay BLM got to Harvard & Yale protest!

Totaly agree.
The Mensa test is no good.
they test them selves each day with the same kind of trest.
and make more test Just the same but a little harder.
and think they are the smart for doing it!
you can train a Ape to do things.

originally posted by: Hecate666
We need to stop the pretence now for the sake of humanity.
IT seems that IQ is all people get judged by but it isn't the truth in real life.
I think there are cultures with lower IQs and others with higher IQs. Fact.
Some people are much, much cleverer than others and there are really, really thick people out there, live with it.

Truth is IQ is a trait that evolved out of need. Another truth is that even a clever person can be made feel dumb and a perceived dumb person might be much more intelligent...all depending on need.

I agree that we are all equally important!

a reply to: AutomateThis1
fast forward to 2030:
Even better we could ban written words and go full digital, but only few selected actually get keyboards. It's unnecessary to learn how to write, the CO2-footprint is too high. The footprint of smartphones is too high too and also computers. Here's this chip you get for free to access the internet and your yearly office 360 subscription will be deducted from it. Also access to your vaccine report and digital controlled currency, passport and medical records from the cloud with the integrated 5G and starlink capability. It also keeps record of your position so your loved ones always know you're safe.

But before we hand out full access to keyboard functions and access to the centralized social media platform, you need to do a test. Notice the test is mandatory by law and cheating, failing to pass and failing to show up in time will be punished by a reduction of your social score and there's no cookies for you this remaining year, too.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

And two years later we get Demolition Man.

a reply to: trollz

I have no words. I really don't. At least, not words that don't involve violence against stupid people.

a reply to: trollz

Stop AAPI hate y'all!!!

- democrats, 2021


Meanwhile, in California... Asian and white students are being held back in public schools because it's no fair that they're smart.

I have a good idea!
Sport should be next.
Every one should be on the same level.
No more foot ball scholarships.

ok we would lose All the big sports events.
but we All would be on the same level.

Sarcasm alert!

originally posted by: Arizona2
Harrison Bergeron anyone?

It's totally Harrison Bergeron.

For those not familiar with the story.

"In the year 2081, the 211th, 212th, and 213th amendments to the Constitution dictate that all Americans are fully equal and not allowed to be smarter, better-looking, or more physically able than anyone else. The Handicapper General's agents enforce the equality laws, forcing citizens to wear "handicaps": masks for those who are too beautiful, loud radios that disrupt thoughts inside the ears of intelligent people, and heavy weights for the strong or athletic." --wiki

The only way to realistically achieve equity is by eliminating the exceptional. Its marketed in DoublePlusGood ways, but I strongly suspect its all intentional. Those that buy into it may do so out of ignorance, as their ideals have been weaponized, but I dont believe its ignorance across the board.

Regardless, we have options. Homeschooling is a good foundation, though not without its own issues. Moving away from rampant condescension towards trades would probably be a good move too.

We can even use modern technology to retain many of the benefits of traditional education systems while improving things in other areas.

With many aspects, like education, the current path almost inevitably leads to failure. Or at least very, very poor results. Even whether this specific story is 100% valid or not, it is completely in line with everything else that is being pursued. And not just in education..

Theres nothing really saying we have to go down with these ships though, and we have a myriad of completely underutilized avenues that are afforded to us through modern tools.

Such an effort would involve faculty holding well-performing students back, even while pushing their less intellectual peers forward

Harrison Bergeron was supposed to be a warning, not a guidebook.

Does everyone see where this is heading? Let me rephrase:

No one will be allowed to be rich unless the poorest person is rich.

Everyone knows that is Communist thinking. Theft mentality.

I can't wait to see the lawsuits (or worse) from this: "You did WHAT to my kid for doing a good job?!?"

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: trollz

I have no words. I really don't. At least, not words that don't involve violence against stupid people.

This, I never imagined we would see this level of stupid from govt. Anyone who thought a previous generation was worse, this one says, hold my beer.

Hopelessly incompetent beyond belief.

OP needs to switch to yandex btw, duckduckgo hides websites as well. Hopefully the new Brave search rises to the top.

Western traitors have been working on this for a long time.

"I think it is absolutely TRAGIC,it is SHAMEFUL,it is SINFUL that
Western Civilization is going to go down the drain.When I wrote
that book,which is less than 10 years ago,I had hope that we could
save Western Civilization.I am extremely skeptical now that it can
be saved.I think we're just about finished."

Georgetown University professor and Bill Clinton mentor,Carroll Quigley,1974.