Shroedingers Vaccine... it's all becoming laughable beyond belief.

The risk of ANY adverse effects of the virus itself is negligible

99.97% can be statistically rounded to 100%

The virus is innocuous by EVERYONE’S definition and standpoint

How this virus even made the news cycle to begin with is laughable

“gEt tHe vAcCiNe”

NO

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
The vaccination programs....ill reserve judgement on, as believe that COVID is a hoax is just insane.

The testing...this is why i keep pointing out that our data is utter BS. I get told, with links to some official website, that im wrong. So i've stopped even talking about it.

But the false positive/negative rate makes me wonder if there wasn't a reagent preloaded on testing swabs to would give "positive" results once used.

An overlooked thread i did back in December that addresses testing issues that have been there since the beginning.
Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Tulpa

How about risk of "long COVID." How does that stack up?

How about risk of hospitalization? How does that stack up?

Long covid

All vax are safe no worries.

Covid-19: Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine
www.bbc.com...

Out of 18 million people vaccinated, which is about .00004%.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
The risk of ANY adverse effects of the virus itself is negligible

99.97% can be statistically rounded to 100%

The virus is innocuous by EVERYONE’S definition and standpoint

How this virus even made the news cycle to begin with is laughable

“gEt tHe vAcCiNe”

NO

Amazing what conclusions you can reach when you literally make up numbers.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Yes. It seems that some people are at risk of clotting from the AstraZeneca vaccine, a very small percentage of people. Researchers are trying to determine why that is. In the meantime, I would be hesitant to accept that vaccine. But it's not available in the US anyway.

www.npr.org...

Otherwise healthy people... not people at risk.

This was leaked from the Danish CDC. Their internal communication to the government was specifically that they saw this in people who were not at risk in case of covid, and was otherwise healthy.

In other threads I have talked about this having been seen before in the 2012 Sars-1 vaccine tests.
Here they had to cancel the program because the corona vaccines they had developed back then caused serious and mortal inflammatory response in mice who had been vaccinated upon being re-introduced to the virus.
The vaccine killed off the virus and went on to destroy the lung tissue as well.

In the mice who hadn't been vaccinated the lung tissue was less damaged.

The report here in Denmark was that the vaccine caused the platelets to cause random clots in a way that was not typical of blood clots otherwise. So you couldn't even say it was because of lifestyle or anything like that.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Tulpa

Hospitalisations in the UK have been going down and treatments have been improving.

That's good.

I had my first Moderna shot two weeks ago. Zero side effects.

I'd be interested in your experience with the second. My experience was the same for the first, a slight bit of itching, so a bit irritating, but nothing severe. The second one, however (other arm) was Zowee! Hurt like hell for two days. Couldn't raise my arm above my head. After that, no problems. I'm over 70 so in the early group. Anecdotally ( a precise scientifc term) that has happened to several people in my group. Second shot is worse. But it's now been two or three weeks and nothing more. FYI I was hospitalized for a time yesterday and they wouldn't schedule me in until I had a Covid test, despite my valid "Covid Passport" So, yes, you can still carry it. I think this misunderstanding has contributed to the conspiracy hysteria surrounding the vaccine. That has always been true, but people's initial misunderstanding has added fuel to the fire.

a reply to: schuyler

FYI I was hospitalized for a time yesterday and they wouldn't schedule me in until I had a Covid test, despite my valid "Covid Passport" So, yes, you can still carry it.

As with most vaccines. But evidence is showing that, as with most vaccines, transmission may be reduced. Significantly. But until it becomes better established, discretion is called for.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Tulpa

How about risk of "long COVID." How does that stack up?

How about risk of hospitalization? How does that stack up?

Long covid

All vax are safe no worries.

Covid-19: Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine
www.bbc.com...

Out of 18 million people vaccinated, which is about .00004%.

The vax side effects including all the types depend on who you listen to!
Since the people who try to tell the truth are being silanced welllll.....

a reply to: flice

Otherwise healthy people... not people at risk.

Everyone is at risk. Some more so than others.

This was leaked from the Danish CDC.

"Leaked." Directly from a government agency?

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Tulpa

How about risk of "long COVID." How does that stack up?

How about risk of hospitalization? How does that stack up?

Long covid

All vax are safe no worries.

Covid-19: Seven UK blood clot deaths after AstraZeneca vaccine
www.bbc.com...

Out of 18 million people vaccinated, which is about .00004%.

The vax side effects including all the types depend on who you listen to!
Since the people who try to tell the truth are being silanced welllll.....

So there are secret side effects but we aren't told about about them?

Or possibly they just don't exit?

One of many many no one bothers with because it is shut down.

Recently a landmark study was conducted by Dr. James Lyons-Weiler and Dr. Paul Thomas. The study compared vaccinated children and unvaccinated children and was published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health on November 22, 2020 after being peer reviewed.

Shortly after the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study was published, five days in fact. The Oregon State Medical Board held an emergency meeting declaring that Dr. Paul was an immediate threat to his patients and the public and suspended his medical license.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: flice

But that's where the vaccines should go then. Because as we are told over here, long term is based on age, underlying and well... that's it basicly.

That's why vaccines are being offered to those most at risk first.

And if those people had the vaccine, why should the rest need to? Statistics and experience shows most have mild cases that doesn't require hospitalization.

Yes. But there are a significant number which do. But you have a choice, you don't "need" to have the vaccine.

But reports are showing now, that otherwise healthy, got ill from the vaccine.

There are very few cases of serious problems which are directly attributable to the vaccine out of hundreds of millions of doses which have been administered. Your risk if hospitalization is greater without vaccination than with.

And what's more, we tend to generate anti-bodies ourselves when we get ill. www.medrxiv.org had a few pre-prints that showed that people who had been infected showed longterm immunity.

Yes. And yet, a large number of people require hospitalization because it takes time to produce antibodies naturally, the vaccine provides a head start.

Well that part with hospitalization is interesting, because it doesn't seem to be true everywhere. It would also require us to have knowledge of the healthcare conditions before Covid, as some countries have probably made poor choices in regards to capacity in the years up to as well as making an objective call about living standards in the countries where its worst.

"Your risk ifhospitalization": Yes... big if. And that's where I say, the healthcare officials have talked a lot about who that is. So we know who should get the vaccine. And then, if they get it, well, chances are statistically, most others wont need hospital. Atleast not to the point where it cripples the system.

AND

comparitively, not to the point where it cripples society as much as the lock-down has.
The Danish economy is messed up by now. Denmark has a long dark road of low living standards coming up and my kids will pay for that.
I'm pretty sure it's the same everywhere else.

"Yes. But there are a significant number which do. But you have a choice, you don't "need" to have the vaccine."

That's why I wrote passive agressively. Because you will need the vaccine if you want to:
- Go to a cafe
- Go to a hairdresser
- Go to a concert
- Go travelling

And this is just the beginning. Next week they are soft launching the vaccine passport in Denmark. I really would love go get a hair cut, but unlike in november, where I just wore my mask to the chair and the hairdresser wore a visir, I now have to show a negative test not more than 2 days old.
This is soft launching. It's getting us used to prove something to get a service. To be a normal part of society.

I'm willing to bet you that once we get a little further down the line, people suffering from un-employment will be threatened to have their dole pay revoked if they don't get vaccinated.
Because companies will be forced to "take responsibility" by telling their employees to piss off if they don't get the vaccine, and that would mean you can't look for a job if you don't get the vaccine.

There are all sorts of ways now for them to control us.

But the meassures are disproportionate to the consequences.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
One of many many no one bothers with because it is shut down.

Recently a landmark study was conducted by Dr. James Lyons-Weiler and Dr. Paul Thomas. The study compared vaccinated children and unvaccinated children and was published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health on November 22, 2020 after being peer reviewed.

Shortly after the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study was published, five days in fact. The Oregon State Medical Board held an emergency meeting declaring that Dr. Paul was an immediate threat to his patients and the public and suspended his medical license.

My kids haven't followed the program. Hasn't been an issue.

But this is just mad. But hey. If you don't play along the agenda, they will ruin you in one way or another.
And we just keeping lowering our heads more and more.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: flice

Otherwise healthy people... not people at risk.

Everyone is at risk. Some more so than others.

This was leaked from the Danish CDC.

"Leaked." Directly from a government agency?

Yes, they had to adress it because one of the tabloid papers went live with it.
But while danish politicians aren't manipulative, they are good at non-answers.

And that brings us back to the psychology part of it. People can't contain it anymore, they don't care really. Even when something like this comes out. Everyone just shrugs, and that scares me.

I think the cdc people has it worst.

The guy who was heading the agency conviniently went into retirement late last year. There were quite a few press conferences where you could tell he wasn't on the same page as the politicians... as in, he was more scientific about it than political. The new younger guy seems a lot more government friendly.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Shut down? The "study" is available right here:
www.mdpi.com...


His license was not suspended because of the article. He had published quite a few similar others in the past.
omb.oregon.gov...

a reply to: flice

That's why I wrote passive agressively. Because you will need the vaccine if you want to: - Go to a cafe - Go to a hairdresser - Go to a concert - Go travelling

It must suck to live in Denmark. But at least you get free medical care, we don't.

The whole thing is such a scam.

Oh another thing about the Danish soft launch of the passport.

We started opening up two weeks ago. Kids are back to school.
In many ways it's better than in november.

Infection going down or being steady. No rises.

So, if things are going well, with the same meassures as in november, where's the reasoning for more meassures, if not preparing us for living permanently under these meassures.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: flice

That's why I wrote passive agressively. Because you will need the vaccine if you want to: - Go to a cafe - Go to a hairdresser - Go to a concert - Go travelling

It must suck to live in Denmark. But at least you get free medical care, we don't.

Hehe, well, we probably lose our perspective, since we only see what we had and are losing, but might be better than other places.
We do get free healthcare, but this benefit is severely challenged. It's also on a long road to American standards I'm affraid. But people here, even having lived under high taxes for so long, which makes complete sense, don't understand what will happen if we don't upkeep these taxes.
Noone here understands that if we went American on taxes, then we would suddenly have to factor in saving up for the treatments that everyone eventually will need at some point in their life.

I hope my kids don't get to live under those conditions.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Mandroid7

When you say the word "Morgellons" it make my eyes roll and my ears shut off.

Funny how Morgellons was the epidemic of the early 2000's that just vanished suddenly. Now its been revived again? LMAO

Nobody truly knows if it was something real. Obviously it was ridiculed everywhere. Those people who claimed it was some kind of real thing didn't think it was anything to laugh about.

Was it funny or laughable when the CIA dispersed Cadmium Sulfide on a city causing horrific birth defects?

Was it funny or laughable when the CIA infected black people with Syphilis?

Who knows what other weird and strange things our own government has experimented with on the public?

Have they ever been punished?

No they haven't been.

And not having ever been punished for their Class A felonies against American citizens, would they be emboldened to conduct even more exotic experiments on the public?

The answer to that is obvious.